Matt 5:20 or enter you won't.

Originally posted by wotsup ↑

@tonio

I had a post together on the Word matter, but for strange reasons, whenever I put together a detailed take on it, H/C keeps going into freeze mode near the end and then eventually a "whoops" message comes up and everything Vanishes, hmmmmmm

Strangely enough, this has happened a number of times over the years, but it only appears to happen on that subject ?????????????
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So Tonio, you're trying to tell us that a birth of someone is not a beginning, hmmmm what a strange man you are
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Just a skim of the whole truth following;

Jesusis the Word -> Gen 3:15 - And I will put enmity Between you andthe woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head,And you shall bruise His heel.”->made man.

Isa55:10, 11 - For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And donot return there without watering the earth And making it produce and sprout,And providing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
So shall My word bethat goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

Jesus confirms that he came forth from the mouth of God as per the logos/plan John 1:1b and 1:2 and as CLEARLY shown in Luke.
John17:8 - For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forthfrom You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
John 16:27, 28 - for the Father Himself loves you, because youhave loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God.
I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Furthermore, I leave the world and go to the Father.”
John8:42 - Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for Iproceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.

ALLsent references and sending’s, are all after his Baptism John 17:18, As thou sentme into the world, even so I have sent them into the world and Gal 4:4 timestamp.

Matt 1:18 - Now the (Beginning)birth of Jesus Christ was as follows:After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, shewas found with child of the Holy Spirit. = The God and Father John17:3, the only true God that Jesus references independently of himself, at thetime of Jesus.
Jesus quotesthe OT -> Deu 6:4 – Hear, Israel!Yehowah our God Yehowah (Father) ONE is = ONE PERSON.

Deu 18:18- I will raise up for them aProphet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.

Aswith all other prophesies, not a single hint that this one to come, alreadyexisted in some way shape or form, other than the God and Fathers plan andpurpose, which became flesh/man as THE scriptures show.
So WHY in the God andFathers name, would someone even think of adding such a creation, never mindactually doing it.

Luke 2:40, 52 - And the Child grew and became strong in spirit,filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
And Jesus keptincreasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and people.

Spirit the God andFather is = The ONE Holy Spirit.
John 3:34 - For Hewhom God has sent speaks the words of God, Because God does not give the Spirit by measure.

We all know full wellthat we express our words and they are our person expressed and based on theBible, they are also deemed as our spirit person expressed.
So, by the God andFather raising Jesus in his word, the word of life and as per 3:34, it resultedin;
Heb 1:3 - Who beingthe brightness (light) of his glory (word), and the expressimage of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of theMajesty on high;

“Word of his power” =The God and Fathers words.
God is light, Fatherof it and so in his word 1 John 1:5, James 1:17, Psa 119:105.
“Glory” = the word ofGod, John 17:22 = Glory = you Only become one as the Father and Son are one, byaccepting, abiding in, making the word of God your life, it becoming you, henceglory there is the word of God as in the glory in John 1:14
And sure enough, theword of God brings salvation = Glory.

Hence Heb 1:3, Jesusexpressing out the God and Father words, BECAME the express image of the Godand Fathers PERSON = WORD, The Word and Jesus is a Word of him, named The Wordof God.
You are not theactual one -> The Word -> that you are of, he is the image of The Word =Word God -> Image of -> Word Man = John 1:3 ALL THINGS made = includes theWord Man Jesus, who arrives in the scene in 1:14 – And the Word Man (existing)became = (on the scene) and dwelt…………..

NOT – And the Word becameman = another story, which is covered in Luke, John is making no reference to howand when the word become flesh, other than ALL THINGS in 1:3.

Jesus confirms thathe is the express image of the God and Father.
John 14:10 - Do younot believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that Ispeak to you I do not speak on My own; but the Father who dwells in Me does theworks.

The ONLY works thatJesus is drawing upon here is = the words of the God and Fathers beingexpressed from him and by hearing them, it is deemed as seeing (Perceiving –Inter) the Father.
John 6:46 - Not that anyone has seen the Father, except Hewho is from God; He has seen (perceived) the Father.
Jesus is Not just referring to himself here, it is those ofGod.
Context ->John 8:47 - He who is of God hearsGod’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
They are deemed as ofabove, of God, of heaven.

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"So Tonio, you're trying to tell us that a birth of someone is not a beginning, hmmmm what a strange man you are "

Wotsup,
I never said that. One's birth is a beginning, just as your first day of school is or your first job is a beginning
but it is not the beginning of you. Most would say that it at your conception.
The word used in Matt 1:18 is not beginning but birth. You will find the Greek word for beginning in John 1:1

"Aswith all other prophesies, not a single hint that this one to come, alreadyexisted in some way shape or form, other than the God and Fathers plan andpurpose, which became flesh/man as THE scriptures show.
So WHY in the God andFathers name, would someone even think of adding such a creation, never mindactually doing it."

Why Wotsup?
Maybe it is because you have never read the Bible.
Biblically you existed in the loins of your father before your birth, you and your siblings.
Your father in his father and he in his father all the way back to Adam.
Man was made from dust on day six of creation.

Wotsup,
You and I and everyone has existed since creation. We are all sons of Adam and were in his loins.
The question for you is, who is the Father of Jesus?