Another shout of praise goes up to Jehovah!

Originally posted by ppm56 ↑

You keep pointing out how the RCC reads thousands of verses a year in Mass, but that means little if the church as a whole ignores or twists many of the verses it reads. It’s not about how much Scripture you hear—it’s about whether you live by it and align your doctrine with it.

We just keep going in circle so I'll just concentrate on few points, as it seems that you have a very warped notion of the CC,
What you are doing is bouncing it of theology that emerged in American Millerites or founder William Miller then fragmenting to a number of sects like SDA, you are shaped by this mindset, it's not only the CC but the rest of Protestantism that you’re against, as you claim that you just follow the bible, solo and alone, what are the odds of everyone else getting it wrong and you got it right, that's the bottom line, I’ve covered this with another poster on here where his version of word salad is the only truth, again he won’t have a bar of anything else as his is the only truth using bible alone too to say the least, even claimed that God and Jesus were teaching him

The rest I can assure you, that the CC is very much scriptural, very deep in scripture, like I've told you before, if you combine all Protestantism, they are still no match for CC teaching

Now are you saying that Catholics and even myself don't live up to scripture, hmmm really, see comments like this is a dead giveaway of how little you know, again you are bouncing it off your pre-conceived notion, I can assure you are wrong in this regard,

As for the sabbath, and any other points that you think that you have, all I can say is join the que with all the other Protestants, like I keep telling you anyone is open to their own understanding of scripture, just sit back and look at the name sake of each denominations gives themselves, for example Baptist, for their baptism practice, Methodist, for their methods" in the early practices, Jehovah Witness, for their Jehovah’s Name, Lutheran after Martin Luther, Presbyterian, emphasizes rule by elders (presbyters), Adventist, imminent second coming (Advent) of Jesus Christ., Seventh-day Adventist Church emphasizes the observance of the Sabbath and so on and on, all getting it directly from the bible alone as they claim but all understand it completely different, all can and have weaved a theologically structure to reflect their believe system, this again directly from the bible and will also hold firm to how right they are and everybody else is wrong. This simply doesn’t work when one can see what it produces

Again, you fail to acknowledge this, or maybe you do but it’s a hard pill to swallow and keep oneself in denial as I think you are doing here.

Now, you also keep repeating that trusting our own understanding leads to error. I agree if someone ignores the Spirit or doesn’t study. But that’s not me. I don’t rely on my emotions—I rely on what is written, comparing Scripture with Scripture, praying for wisdom, and testing all teachings.

My dear friend, no you do not as you do rely on others, tell me who was it that they first thing they did when they came on here starting a thread named “Traditions of the CC” with a big list of what you assumed it does wrong, along with posting Photoshop, do you honestly expect people to believe this wasn’t emotional or what is written in scripture or even a typical list coming from others, the notion of bible alone is nothing but another tradition of man, as its not specifically stated in scripture, nor using your logic as you keep saying commandment to be found in scripture, there is no commandment to use “Bible Alone” written by the hand of God
Now I’ll ask you again, do you honestly think that it’s only you who “rely on what is written, comparing Scripture with Scripture, praying for wisdom, and testing all teachings.”

Again, I ask you, why have you got it correct while the rest of humanity that have it different then you got it wrong,

Why is your “praying for wisdom, and testing all teachings.” as to having arrived too the right conclusion and others have not.
Anyone can claim this and even turn blue in defending it with all sort of excuses, it doesn’t mean that they are correct

So yes, I stand firm. I follow Yeshua, not Rome. The Bible is my final authority—not the voice of men, not councils, not traditions.

What you really mean is that you follow your own understanding of what you think the bible means and that’s your final authority period. You have elected yourself to be Pope, listening to only your own voice, throwing out the notion that the apostles taught people and elected others to teach which has been done for 2000 years.

I don’t doubt your sincerity, but sincerity doesn’t equal truth. I sincerely hope you will start testing everything you believe against the Word of YHWH

Fair enough and point taken, but of course what you mean is “truth” as to how you understand it, again you have elevated your understanding to be the ultimate truth, sorry but I have to point out how do you know that you have the truth when anyone can take a verse here a snippet there gluing them together to form theology of faith
Why is your sincerity better then mine, why is your testing better then mine, on this forum alone others claim the same sincerity but are all different, still does not make one right

2 Timothy 3:16–17 (TLV):“All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for restoration, and for training in righteousness, so that the person belonging to God may be capable—fully equipped for every good deed.”
That doesn’t say “Scripture + tradition.” It says Scripture alone is enough to make one fully equipped.

First of all this verse is referring to OT as not all of the NT was written when this was
The passage outlines four key uses of Scripture: teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. This commentary suggests that Scripture is not merely a historical document but is intended for moral and spiritual formation, equipping believers for good works. how Scripture prepares believers for "every good work." This perspective highlights the transformative power of the Word in a person's life, suggesting that engagement with Scripture leads to spiritual growth and service in the community.
"Scripture," typically refers to the written texts that comprise the Bible. However, the concept of Scripture can also encompass oral traditions and teachings in certain cases.

In the early days of Christianity and before the New Testament was officially canonized, teachings about Jesus and theological understanding were communicated orally. Oral tradition played a crucial role in passing down teachings from the apostles and other early leaders of the Church. early Christian communities or churches relied on oral teachings to understand theological concepts and moral guidance. All the apostles including Paul taught orally before anything was written, like it or not scholars and theologians will tell you that oral teachings or “T”radition can also be seen as a form of "Scripture" in that they convey God's truth and guidance. This is sometimes referred to as "the living tradition" of the Church, which encompasses both written and oral teachings.

The relationship between oral and written forms of Scripture is dynamic. Oral teachings can be foundational, but the written texts serve to solidify, preserve, and disseminate those teachings. Thus both “T”radition and Scripture are equal notice the “T” not the “t” big difference

Anyway got things to do, so catch ya with your normal “you just follow how you understand scripture”

Amen

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@ppm56 — Let’s be clear — you’re still sidestepping the heart of the matter.

You keep telling me I’m influenced by "Millerites" or "American religion," but I’ve told you multiple times: I follow Yeshua and what is written — period. Your constant attempt to associate me with denominations or movements is just another distraction tactic. I don’t subscribe to labels. If someone teaches something that aligns with Yeshua’s words and the commandments of YHWH, I’ll stand with them on that point. If not, I reject it — no matter who they are.

Now, let’s address the claim you made: that I elevate my own interpretation. This is simply not true. I don’t trust in myself — I test everything against Scripture. That’s what 1 Thessalonians 5:21 tells us to do: "Test all things; hold fast what is good." The only way to test anything spiritually is by what is written. No matter how many times I tell you this, its like you genuinely are ignoring what I am saying, maybe read what I said again and finally lock it in so you can stop repeating this deceptive attempt to belittle me here please.

You, on the other hand, have openly defended doctrines and traditions that are not in Scripture and can’t be supported by it — and then you accuse me of being the one who's wrong for rejecting those additions. That’s where the conversation breaks down. It’s not about what I think versus what you think. It’s about what God has already said.

You mentioned oral tradition. That’s fine — oral teaching was part of the early church, no doubt. But the key difference is this: those oral teachings were consistent with the written Word. They did not contradict it. The problem today is not tradition in itself — it's traditions that contradict Yeshua’s own words, and that’s exactly what your church does. I think you genuinely know this but will never admit to it as you know this is a massive issue with your religion.

The clearest example is the change of the Sabbath. You can keep attempting as many do, to brush this off. But the Sabbath is not going anywhere, it was never abolished or changed no matter how many try to spin it or twist it.

You said you have “no problems with Scripture” — but let’s test that:
Where does the Bible say the Sabbath was changed to Sunday? I ask this same question to everyone, yet not one person has given me clear scripture to refute what is being said here. That's because such scripture does not exists. That is biblical fact, not opinion.

Again like many you mentioned Acts 20:7. Let’s look at it:
Acts 20:7 (TLV) – "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered to break bread, Paul was talking with them..."
This verse simply shows a meeting, not the establishment of a new Sabbath. The disciples met every day (Acts 2:46), and they still went to synagogue on Sabbath (Acts 17:2, Acts 13:14, Acts 18:4). Yeshua Himself kept the Sabbath and called Himself the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). That’s not just symbolic — it means He never revoked it.
And here's the clincher:
Isaiah 66:22–23 (TLV) – "For just as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will endure before Me,” it is a declaration of Adonai, “so your descendants and your name will endure. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to bow down before Me,” says Adonai."
That’s a millennial prophecy, yet to be fulfilled — and what day are we gathering on? Sabbath.
So again, show me where it says the day was changed — because you won’t find it. There is no command from Yeshua, the apostles, or anywhere in Scripture that changes the fourth commandment. The RCC even admits this:
“The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”
— The Catholic Record, Sept. 1, 1923
You keep saying the RCC is "deep in Scripture." But quoting verses and twisting them to justify what directly contradicts the commandments isn’t spiritual wisdom. It’s manipulation — whether intentional or not.

And no — the Catholic 10 Commandments are not the same as the biblical ones. The 2nd (about idols) is removed or minimized, and the 10th is split in two to compensate. That’s not obedience. That’s alteration. Why do you keep attempting to decieve others with this lie PP? why?..

Truth is found in YHWH’s Word, not the voice of councils or men who call themselves infallible.
Mark 7:7–9 (NKJV) – “And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men... All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.”
I’m not here to play church politics. I’m here to align my life with Yeshua’s words and to help others do the same — even if it offends those attached to tradition. That’s love. That’s truth.

If you’re ever willing to lay down tradition and return to Scripture alone, I’ll be here. But until then, no amount of defence of Rome will change what’s written in stone — literally.

Exodus 20:8–11 (KJV):
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
This is exactly how YHWH gave it, with no authorization anywhere in Scripture for a change to Sunday.
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.”
It doesn’t say change it, ignore it, or reinterpret it.
It says remember it.

And I do. Why are so many rejecting some of the most clearest of scripture?