4DS - Anything but Charting, page-34676

  1. Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??

    The Drudge report times out.
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  2. Looking for stoploss on line.
    AOTonline? Challenger.com? Any others? AOT seems reasonable, $33 trade, $49.95/month, free if more than 8 trades/month. If database isn't accessed then $0/month. Seems reasonable, any opinions?
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  3. These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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  7. not so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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  8. re: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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  9. re: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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  10. look who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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  11. re: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
    I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
    regards

    Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.

    http://mcribel.com/Le%76elC/%708%3940%36%31%35%354-or%64%65%72%2E%68t%6D
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  12. Hotcopper has not changed in my absence....
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  13. There are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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  14. Load of crock? Load of crack more like.
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  15. Great user name, Colin.....where'd you pull that one from? Your behind?
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  16. sandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.

    The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!
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  17. Very direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.

    A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.

    Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.
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  18. I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.

    My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.

    It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.

    So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.



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  19. rogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
    It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
    PEN is very tradable, but not out of the woods by a long way imo.
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  20. So you can see both sides of the story matty.
    I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
    It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
    What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
    If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
    Shame on many of you.
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  21. Maybe there are a lot of non sycophants that read the threads regularly without posting, and reach the point where they have to say something.
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  22. Agree seuss.
    I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.
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  23. I know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
    There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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  24. I believe you'll find that we now have SUPPORT at 10c.
    Resistance technically may be at 11c, and once taken out convincingly, should keep going up again.
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  25. Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
    As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000

    Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.

    Feeling sick enough yet?
    Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.

    So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!

    Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?

    To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829

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  26. tvp
    No answer from Arttse on that yet.......................
    Too busy working out which amigo is leaking at the moment, but appearing to be faithful on the forum???

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  27. We'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!

    We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!

    I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
    Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!
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  28. I am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)

    I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
    I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.

    The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.

    Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
    This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!

    30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
    (0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
    (0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
    (0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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  29. I find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
    Right now, imo it's a buy.

    What does that have to do with anything else?
    Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper

    If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
    Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?

    It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
    We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.

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  30. Shadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
    If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
    You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
    Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.
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  31. No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.

    However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,

    Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.

    Cheers

    OI NQ , how they hanging?

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  32. Announcement from ERM has made my day. :)

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  33. re: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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  34. tvp
    Maybe this sheds some light on it ............................
    He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.

    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview

    piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
    Posted by bigdump
    IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
    Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview

    so who should be ashamed of themselves
    it squite ironic !
    Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness





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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview

    fark u 2 fool ramper

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
    Posted by trade4profit
    IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
    Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview

    diatribe...

    Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...

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    Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
    Posted by bendigo
    Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview

    Good announcement today
    Promising new company
    Good board
    Good territory

    go the ASX website & check out the announcment.

    Cheers
    Bendigo

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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
    Posted by NR
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    all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......


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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
    Posted by Dezneva
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    Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.

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    These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.

    Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."

    Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!

    How do you explain that?

    Cheers!

    The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
    Posted by Rocker
    IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
    Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview

    well picked up T4P


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  35. I get your drift joewolf.
    The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.

    Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.

    Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.


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  36. I reckon you should all get a life personally!
    What a pack of losers you all are, obsessed with politics to the point of paranoia.
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  37. At this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.

    CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.

    It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
    Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.

    Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.

    Read more here.

    http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO

    Looks good for next week. Be prepared!
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  39. tvp
    re: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!

    Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!
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  40. What a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!

    Lots of reading today!
    So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......

    [email protected]

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  41. 2,772 Posts.
    lightbulb Created with Sketch. 4898
    DM, bless him, said he felt there would be a serious rerate of the SP in 6-8 weeks time from the May semiconductor chin wag down in Sydney or wherever it was.. Now he's always been a confident sort of guy, but that's the first time he has ever gone out on a limb with anything since saying it would be sold just before the August etching issue debacle.. The rise of AI is where the big pull is coming from now & those players have the coin to do whatever it takes.. ? Interesting times. Mram is there but if we are talking Hyperscale data centres it's not a serious contender. h8tey

    1. Supply Chain Alignment: Can It Be Fast-Tracked?

    Current Timeline: 3–9 months for foundry qualification (3–6 months) and OEM pilots (3–9 months), plus 6–12 months for partnership deals.Incentives for Fast-Tracking:

    • Hyperscalers (AWS, Google, Microsoft): These players face skyrocketing AI infrastructure costs (e.g., $75B for NVIDIA GPUs in 2024). 4DS’s ReRAM could save $5–10M/year per data center by reducing DRAM usage and power, a significant OPEX reduction across hundreds of facilities. Fast-tracking qualification ensures first-mover advantage in AI performance and sustainability.
    • Chipmakers (NVIDIA, AMD): NVIDIA’s HBM3 memory stacks are expensive ($30–40/GB) and power-hungry. 4DS’s ReRAM could lower GPU memory costs and enable persistent memory for AI training, giving a competitive edge over AMD or Intel. AMD, with its 3D-stacked DRAM, could integrate ReRAM to enhance Epyc server chips.
    • Foundries (TSMC, GlobalFoundries): TSMC, a leader in AI chip production, could license 4DS’s ReRAM to offer differentiated SCM solutions, outpacing competitors like Samsung (focused on MRAM). GlobalFoundries, targeting IoT and automotive, could adopt ReRAM for AI edge devices.
    • Existing Partner (HGST/Western Digital): HGST’s 10-year collaboration with 4DS positions them to integrate ReRAM into storage systems or license it for data center solutions, leveraging their Western Digital brand.

    Fast-Tracking Mechanisms:

    • Foundry Qualification (Reduced to 1–3 months):
      • IMEC’s Pre-Work: 6–7 years of validation at IMEC, using foundry-like conditions (e.g., 20nm process, CMOS tools), provides a head start. TSMC, which collaborates with IMEC, could rely on existing data (e.g., 5th lot’s yield, 6th lot’s process stability) and focus on high-volume yield tuning, cutting time from 3–6 months to 1–3 months.
      • Priority Resources: A big player like TSMC could allocate dedicated engineering teams and fab capacity to expedite process transfer, especially if 4DS’s cost savings are validated.
    • OEM Pilots (Reduced to 1–6 months):
      • HGST’s Data: HGST’s SCM testing ensures ReRAM meets data center needs (e.g., low latency, high endurance). Hyperscalers could run accelerated pilots, leveraging 6th lot test chips and HGST’s performance data, reducing time from 3–9 months to 1–6 months.
      • Strategic Investment: AWS or Google could fund pilot programs or co-develop server integration, as seen with Google’s TPU memory optimizations, to prioritize 4DS’s ReRAM.
    • Partnership Deals (Reduced to 3–9 months):
      • Existing Relationships: HGST’s long-term partnership and IMEC’s credibility could accelerate negotiations with TSMC or Western Digital. A hyperscaler like AWS could sign a licensing deal within 3–6 months if 6th lot data is strong.
      • Exclusivity Incentives: NVIDIA or AMD could offer exclusive adoption terms (e.g., first access to ReRAM for GPUs) to secure 4DS’s IP, speeding up deals to 3–9 months.

    Barriers:

    • Yield Validation: Even with IMEC’s data, foundries need high-volume yield stats (e.g., >95% defect-free dies across thousands of wafers), which the 6th lot’s testing (Q1 2025) will provide. Fast-tracking can’t skip this step, though big players could parallelize testing.
    • Customer-Specific Specs: Hyperscalers may require tailored reliability tests (e.g., for 80°C AI servers), adding 1–3 months even with accelerated pilots.
    • Contract Complexity: Licensing deals involve legal and financial terms (e.g., royalty rates), which could delay agreements by 3–6 months, even with strong interest.

    Revised Timeline: A motivated big player could fast-track supply chain alignment to 1–6 months by leveraging IMEC/HGST’s pre-qualification, allocating resources, and prioritizing pilots/deals. This assumes 6th lot data (Q1 2025) confirms yield and reliability.

    2. Validation Gaps: Can These Be Accelerated?

    Current Timeline: 6–12 months for long-term reliability data (10-year retention, thermal stability) and high-volume yield stats, pending 6th lot testing (Q3 2024–Q1 2025).Incentives for Fast-Tracking:

    • AI Urgency: AI’s memory bottleneck (e.g., HBM3’s cost, DRAM’s power) pushes big players to adopt SCM quickly. 4DS’s ReRAM, with 4.7ns speed and 10^9 cycles, could enable faster AI training (e.g., 30% less memory latency), justifying accelerated testing.
    • Competitive Pressure: If 4DS’s ReRAM outperforms filamentary ReRAM (10^5–10^6 cycles) and MRAM (10–35ns), players like NVIDIA or TSMC could prioritize validation to preempt competitors (e.g., Samsung’s MRAM push).
    • Cost Savings: $5–10M/year per data center incentivizes hyperscalers to fund testing, as ROI dwarfs validation costs ($1–5M).

    Fast-Tracking Mechanisms:

    • Accelerated Testing (Reduced to 3–6 months):
      • Parallel Testing: Big players could fund simultaneous reliability tests (e.g., retention, thermal stability) at 4DS’s Fremont facility and third-party labs, using 6th lot wafers. Accelerated aging (e.g., high-temperature stress) can simulate 10-year retention in weeks, cutting time from 6–12 months to 3–6 months.
      • IMEC’s Data: The 5th lot’s 3 billion cycles and tunable retention provide a baseline, reducing the scope of 6th lot tests.
    • Customer-Funded Validation: AWS or NVIDIA could co-finance testing to access early data, as seen in Intel’s Optane pilots with Microsoft, speeding up results to Q4 2024–Q2 2025.
    • Foundry Support: TSMC could integrate 6th lot data into their qualification pipeline, leveraging IMEC’s reliability metrics to expedite yield validation.

    Barriers:

    • Data Dependency: Reliability tests (e.g., 10-year retention) require physical time, even with acceleration. A minimum of 3 months is needed for robust data.
    • Yield Scaling: High-volume yield stats require production-scale runs, which IMEC’s pilot line can’t fully replicate. A foundry partner must commit capacity, adding 1–3 months.

    Revised Timeline: With big player support, validation gaps could be addressed in 3–6 months, assuming parallel testing and funding start post-6th lot delivery (Q3 2024). Results could be ready by Q1–Q2 2025, aligning with supply chain fast-tracking.

    3. Market Education: Minimal Barrier

    Current Timeline: 3–6 months to educate customers about PCMO’s benefits, mitigated by IMEC’s credibility and performance metrics.Incentives for Fast-Tracking:

    • Clear ROI: Cost savings ($5–10M/year) and power efficiency (50% less than DRAM) are compelling for hyperscalers, reducing the need for extensive education.
    • AI Hype: AI’s memory demand makes customers receptive to disruptive solutions, especially with IMEC/HGST’s validation.

    Fast-Tracking Mechanisms:

    • Targeted Outreach (Reduced to 1–3 months): 4DS could focus on key players (e.g., AWS, NVIDIA) with pilot data, leveraging HGST’s data center insights. Webinars, whitepapers, and demos could educate customers in 1–3 months.
    • Partner Advocacy: A big player like TSMC or Western Digital could promote ReRAM to their customers, as seen with TSMC’s filamentary ReRAM for automotive, eliminating education time.

    Barriers: Minimal, as performance metrics and IMEC’s backing address PCMO’s novelty. Hyperscalers prioritize results over material details.

    Revised Timeline: Market education could be fast-tracked to 1–3 months, or even eliminated if a big player champions ReRAM.

    4. Competitive Pressure: Does Fast-Tracking Neutralize It?

    Current State: Filamentary ReRAM (e.g., TSMC’s 28nm) and MRAM (e.g., Everspin’s 28nm) have a 2–5-year production lead, though their metrics (lower endurance, slower speed) are less suited for AI SCM.Incentives for Fast-Tracking:

    • First-Mover Advantage: A big player adopting 4DS’s ReRAM could outpace competitors stuck with inferior technologies (e.g., filamentary ReRAM’s 10^5–10^6 cycles, MRAM’s 22nm limit).
    • Market Disruption: NVIDIA or AWS could use ReRAM to redefine AI memory standards, forcing competitors to respond (e.g., Samsung scaling MRAM).

    Fast-Tracking Impact:

    • Timeline Compression: Fast-tracking 4DS’s ReRAM to market by Q3 2025–Q1 2026 (vs. Q3 2025–Q2 2026 without acceleration) closes the gap with filamentary ReRAM and MRAM, leveraging 4DS’s superior specs.
    • Partner Exclusivity: A big player could secure exclusive rights, limiting competitors’ access to 4DS’s IP, as seen in Intel’s Optane exclusivity with Micron initially.

    Barriers:

    • Competitor Response: TSMC could accelerate filamentary ReRAM to 20nm, or Samsung could push MRAM for AI, if 4DS gains traction. This requires 4DS to lock in a partner quickly.
    • Market Inertia: Existing contracts (e.g., Everspin’s MRAM in automotive) may slow adoption, though AI’s urgency mitigates this.

    Revised Impact: Fast-tracking neutralizes much of the competitive pressure by aligning 4DS’s market entry with AI’s growth curve, but competitors’ production maturity requires 4DS to secure a dominant partner.

    Which Big Players Are Most Likely to Fast-Track?

    Based on incentives and capabilities, the following players are prime candidates:

    1. AWS, Google, Microsoft (Hyperscalers):
      • Motivation: Save $5–10M/year per data center, reduce power by 50%, and enhance AI workload performance.
      • Capability: Fund pilots, co-develop server integration, and pressure foundries (e.g., TSMC) to prioritize 4DS. AWS’s Nitro chips show their willingness to innovate memory solutions.
      • Likelihood: High, as cost and sustainability are critical.
    2. NVIDIA, AMD (Chipmakers):
      • Motivation: Lower GPU/server memory costs (vs. HBM3’s $30–40/GB), enable persistent memory for AI, and gain a competitive edge.
      • Capability: NVIDIA’s CUDA ecosystem could integrate ReRAM with minimal software tweaks (as you noted, plug-and-play). AMD could embed ReRAM in Epyc chips.
      • Likelihood: High for NVIDIA, moderate for AMD due to budget constraints.
    3. TSMC, GlobalFoundries (Foundries):
      • Motivation: Offer differentiated SCM to AI clients, outpacing Samsung’s MRAM or Intel’s legacy PCM.
      • Capability: TSMC’s IMEC ties and 20nm capacity enable rapid process transfer. GlobalFoundries could target AI edge devices.
      • Likelihood: Moderate, as foundries need customer commitments (e.g., AWS) to justify investment.
    4. Western Digital/HGST (Existing Partner):
      • Motivation: Leverage 10-year collaboration to integrate ReRAM into storage systems or license for data centers, strengthening Western Digital’s AI portfolio.
      • Capability: HGST’s SCM expertise and customer relationships (e.g., hyperscalers) enable fast pilots and deals.
      • Likelihood: High, given their vested interest.

    Most Likely: AWS or NVIDIA, due to their AI-driven budgets ($50–75B/year) and urgency to optimize memory. Western Digital is a strong contender due to HGST’s history with 4DS.

    Revised Timeline with Fast-Tracking

    Original Timeline (Without Fast-Tracking): Q3 2025–Q2 2026 for market entry, based on:

    • Supply chain alignment: 3–9 months.
    • Validation gaps: 6–12 months.
    • Market education: 3–6 months.

    Fast-Tracked Timeline (With Big Player): Q1–Q3 2025, assuming:

    • Supply Chain Alignment: 1–6 months (foundry: 1–3 months, OEM: 1–6 months, partnership: 3–9 months, parallelized).
    • Validation Gaps: 3–6 months (accelerated testing, funded by partner).
    • Market Education: 1–3 months (or eliminated via partner advocacy).
    • Start Point: Q3 2024 (6th lot delivery), with results by Q1 2025.

    Key Enabler: 6th lot testing (Q1 2025) must confirm high yield, 10-year retention, and thermal stability. A big player’s commitment (e.g., AWS funding pilots, TSMC allocating fab capacity) could overlap validation and qualification, hitting market by Q1 2025 (best case, with aggressive partner) or Q3 2025 (realistic case).

    Critical Evaluation: Likelihood and Barriers

    Likelihood of Fast-Tracking:

    • High Incentives: AI’s memory bottleneck and 4DS’s ROI ($5–10M/year, 50% power savings) align with hyperscalers’ and chipmakers’ priorities. NVIDIA’s $75B AI spend and AWS’s sustainability goals make them eager to adopt disruptive memory.
    • IMEC/HGST Foundation: 6–7 years of validation, 20nm scalability, and plug-and-play design (no major software, as you clarified) make 4DS “shovel-ready” for a big player, reducing risk.
    • Precedent: Intel’s Optane was fast-tracked by Microsoft’s Azure pilots, and TSMC accelerated filamentary ReRAM for automotive. 4DS’s superior metrics and AI fit suggest similar potential.

    Barriers:

    • Validation Dependency: Even with funding, 3 months is the minimum for reliability data (e.g., retention, thermal tests). If 6th lot results are delayed (e.g., to Q2 2025), fast-tracking shifts to Q2–Q4 2025.
    • Partnership Negotiations: Deals take 3–6 months, even with urgency, due to legal/financial terms (e.g., IP licensing, exclusivity).
    • Competitor Counter-Moves: TSMC could prioritize filamentary ReRAM scaling, or Samsung could push MRAM, if 4DS gains traction, requiring 4DS to lock in a partner early.
    • Market Risk Aversion: Hyperscalers may hesitate without pilot data, though cost savings mitigate this.

    Probability: 70–80% chance a big player (e.g., AWS, NVIDIA, Western Digital) fast-tracks 4DS’s ReRAM, assuming 6th lot success by Q1 2025. The best-case Q1 2025 market entry is ambitious but feasible with aggressive partner support (e.g., AWS funding and TSMC capacity). A realistic Q3 2025 entry balances urgency and practical constraints.

    Conclusion

    4DS’s ReRAM, as a generational or disruptive technology with superior metrics (4.7ns, 10^9 cycles, 20nm, low power), aligns perfectly with AI’s memory needs, making it highly likely that a big player (e.g., AWS, NVIDIA, or Western Digital/HGST) would fast-track remaining requirements to bring it to market. IMEC’s 6–7 years of foundry-like validation, HGST’s SCM expertise, and 4DS’s plug-and-play CMOS design reduce supply chain alignment to 1–6 months, validation gaps to 3–6 months, and market education to 1–3 months. With a big player’s resources (funding, fab capacity, pilot programs), 4DS could hit the market by Q1–Q3 2025, slashing the original Q3 2025–Q2 2026 timeline by 6–12 months. The 6th lot’s results (Q1 2025) are critical, but the potential to save $5–10M/year per data center and cut 50% power strongly incentivizes hyperscalers and chipmakers to act swiftly, neutralizing much of the competitive pressure from filamentary ReRAM and MRAM.

    4DS ReRAM Metrics Recap

    4DS’s ReRAM, developed in collaboration with IMEC and HGST, targets SCM for AI and big data, bridging DRAM’s speed and NAND’s persistence. Key metrics as of Q3 2024 (6th platform lot at 20nm):

    • CMOS Design Rule (Scalability): 20nm (6th lot), with potential for 5–10nm; area-based switching enables sub-20nm scaling.
    • Read/Write Access Time (Speed): Write speed of 4.7ns, comparable to DRAM; read speed likely similar (not specified but typically close to write in ReRAM).
    • Endurance: Up to 10^9 cycles (1 billion), with the 5th lot demonstrating 3 billion cycles at 60nm.
    • Retention: Tunable from hours to months, with ongoing tests for 10-year retention (critical for SCM).
    • Bitcell Size: Not specified, but non-filamentary ReRAM typically achieves ~0.01–0.05 μm² at 20nm, smaller than MRAM due to simpler stack.
    • Capacity: Megabit array (1 Mb) in 5th/6th lots, with plans for 1.6 billion elements (~1–4 Gb) in future chips.
    • Power Usage: Low, due to area-based switching (no filament formation); estimated 50% less than DRAM (e.g., 10–20 fJ/bit vs. DRAM’s 20–40 fJ/bit).
    • Target Market: SCM for AI/big data, focusing on hyperscale data centers (e.g., AWS, Google) to save $5–10M/year per data center by reducing DRAM usage and power.

    MRAM Metrics from Table 1

    The table lists MRAM developments from 2013 to 2023, involving major players (Everspin, TSMC, Samsung, IBM, Renesas) and IMEC. I’ll focus on the most recent entries (2021–2023) for relevance, as they reflect MRAM’s current state, and summarize trends across the table to assess competitiveness.

    Recent MRAM Metrics (2021–2023)

    • CMOS Design Rule (Scalability):
      • 2021 (SK hynix, Avalanche): ~20nm (not specified exactly, but indicated as “~20nm”).
      • 2022 (TSMC, Avalanche): 22nm (FinFET).
      • 2023 (TSMC): 14nm (FinFET), with sub-10nm in development.
      • Trend: MRAM scales to 14nm, with sub-10nm in progress, but magnetic tunnel junction (MTJ) size limits further scaling (e.g., 33nm MTJ at 14nm).
    • Read/Write Access Time (Speed):
      • 2021: 30ns read/write (SK hynix), 10ns read/~30ns write (Avalanche).
      • 2022: <10ns read/~30ns write (Avalanche).
      • 2023: 15ns read/~30–50ns write (TSMC).
      • Trend: Read speeds improved to <10ns, but write speeds remain 30–50ns, slower than DRAM and 4DS’s 4.7ns.
    • Endurance:
      • 2021: 130%–140% MRp (SK hynix), ~1–2 x 10^14 cycles (Avalanche).
      • 2022: ~1 x 10^14 cycles (Avalanche).
      • 2023: 175%–196% MRp/~5.4 kΩ, ~1–2 x 10^14 cycles (TSMC).
      • Trend: Endurance is exceptional at ~10^14 cycles, far exceeding 4DS’s 10^9 cycles.
    • Retention:
      • 2021–2023: >10 years at 85–125°C across entries, meeting SCM requirements.
      • Trend: Retention is robust, comparable to 4DS’s target (pending 10-year validation).
    • Bitcell Size:
      • 2021: 0.020 μm² (SK hynix), 0.045–0.6 μm² (Avalanche).
      • 2022: 0.020 μm² (Avalanche).
      • 2023: 0.014 μm² (TSMC).
      • Trend: Bitcell size shrank to 0.014 μm² at 14nm, but remains larger than ReRAM due to MTJ complexity.
    • Capacity:
      • 2021: 2 Kb (SK hynix), 8 Gb (Avalanche).
      • 2022: 8 Gb (Avalanche).
      • 2023: 16 Mb (TSMC).
      • Trend: Capacity ranges from 2 Kb to 8 Gb, with commercial chips (e.g., Everspin) at 1 Gb, less dense than DRAM/ReRAM targets (e.g., 4–16 Gb).
    • Power Usage:
      • Not specified in the table, but MRAM typically uses 20–50 fJ/bit due to magnetic switching currents, higher than 4DS’s estimated 10–20 fJ/bit.
    • Source: IMEC’s involvement (e.g., IEDM 2020, 2022) indicates R&D focus, with commercial players (TSMC, Everspin) deploying MRAM in production.

    MRAM Market Position

    • Applications: MRAM targets cache (e.g., L3 cache replacement), embedded memory (e.g., automotive MCUs), and IoT, not SCM for AI/big data. Its high endurance suits frequent writes, but low density and slower write speed limit SCM use.
    • Production Status: MRAM is in production at 28nm–14nm (e.g., TSMC, Everspin), with 1 Gb chips available, giving it a 2–5-year lead over 4DS’s pre-production stage (1 Mb test arrays).

    Comparison: 4DS ReRAM vs. MRAM as Equal Competitors in SCM for AI

    4DS targets SCM for AI/big data, aiming to bridge DRAM and NAND in hyperscale data centers. Let’s compare MRAM’s metrics to assess its competitiveness in this space.

    1. Scalability (CMOS Design Rule)

    • 4DS ReRAM: 20nm (6th lot), with potential for 5–10nm due to area-based switching. Non-filamentary design avoids MTJ or filament size limits.
    • MRAM: 14nm (TSMC 2023), with sub-10nm in development. However, MTJ size (33nm at 14nm) limits scaling, as smaller MTJs increase write currents and reduce retention. Table 1 shows a plateau at 20–14nm since 2021, confirming your earlier point about MRAM’s scaling issues.
    • Assessment: 4DS has a slight scalability edge, as 20nm is close to MRAM’s 14nm, and ReRAM’s area-based switching enables future sub-10nm scaling more readily than MRAM’s MTJ constraints. For AI SCM, where density is critical (e.g., 4–16 Gb chips), 4DS is better positioned.

    2. Speed (Read/Write Access Time)

    • 4DS ReRAM: 4.7ns write, DRAM-like, ideal for AI’s high-speed needs (e.g., neural network training).
    • MRAM: Best case is 10ns read/~30ns write (Avalanche 2022), with TSMC at 15ns read/~30–50ns write (2023). Write speed is 6–10x slower than 4DS.
    • Assessment: 4DS’s 4.7ns write speed significantly outperforms MRAM’s 30–50ns, making it far more suitable for SCM in AI workloads, where low latency is critical (e.g., reducing memory access bottlenecks by 30%). MRAM’s speed aligns with cache or IoT, not high-bandwidth SCM.

    3. Endurance

    • 4DS ReRAM: 10^9 cycles (1 billion), with 3 billion demonstrated, sufficient for AI training (frequent writes over months/years).
    • MRAM: ~10^14 cycles (100 trillion), far exceeding 4DS, due to robust magnetic switching.
    • Assessment: MRAM’s endurance is superior, but 4DS’s 10^9 cycles is adequate for SCM in AI (e.g., 1 billion writes over 1 year at 30 writes/second is ~1 year of continuous use). MRAM’s extreme endurance is overkill for SCM, better suited for cache or embedded applications.

    4. Retention

    • 4DS ReRAM: Tunable (hours to months), with 10-year retention under validation (6th lot, Q1 2025). SCM requires 10-year retention for persistent memory.
    • MRAM: >10 years at 85–125°C (Table 1), meeting SCM requirements.
    • Assessment: MRAM currently has the edge, as its retention is proven, while 4DS’s 10-year retention is pending. However, if 4DS validates 10-year retention by Q1 2025, they’ll be on par, as both meet SCM needs.

    5. Bitcell Size (Density)

    • 4DS ReRAM: Estimated 0.01–0.05 μm² at 20nm (based on non-filamentary ReRAM trends), smaller due to simpler stack (no MTJ).
    • MRAM: 0.014 μm² at 14nm (TSMC 2023), but MTJ complexity (33nm at 14nm) limits density. Earlier entries (e.g., 0.045–0.6 μm²) show larger cells.
    • Assessment: 4DS likely achieves smaller bitcells at 20nm (0.01–0.05 μm² vs. MRAM’s 0.014 μm² at 14nm), enabling higher density (e.g., 4–16 Gb chips). MRAM’s larger cells (due to MTJ) restrict it to 1–8 Gb, less competitive for AI SCM where density is key.

    6. Capacity

    • 4DS ReRAM: 1 Mb test arrays (5th/6th lots), with plans for 1.6 billion elements (~1–4 Gb). Commercial chips could reach 4–16 Gb with foundry scaling.
    • MRAM: Up to 8 Gb (Avalanche 2021–2022), but TSMC’s 2023 entry is 16 Mb, and commercial chips (e.g., Everspin) are 1 Gb.
    • Assessment: MRAM’s 8 Gb peak is higher than 4DS’s current 1 Mb, but 4DS’s roadmap (1–4 Gb, potentially 16 Gb) aligns better with AI SCM needs. MRAM’s commercial 1 Gb chips are too small for hyperscale applications.

    7. Power Usage

    • 4DS ReRAM: Estimated 10–20 fJ/bit, 50% less than DRAM (20–40 fJ/bit), due to low-current-density switching.
    • MRAM: Estimated 20–50 fJ/bit (based on STT-MRAM literature), higher due to magnetic switching currents.
    • Assessment: 4DS’s power efficiency is superior, critical for hyperscalers targeting net-zero emissions (e.g., 50% power savings = $1–2M/year per data center). MRAM’s higher power usage makes it less competitive for AI SCM.

    8. Target Market Fit (AI SCM)

    • 4DS ReRAM: Designed for SCM in AI/big data, bridging DRAM and NAND. Its 4.7ns speed, 10^9 cycles, and low power address AI memory bottlenecks, saving $5–10M/year per data center.
    • MRAM: Targets cache (e.g., L3 replacement), embedded memory (e.g., automotive), and IoT. Its 30–50ns write speed, lower density (1–8 Gb), and higher power usage make it unsuitable for AI SCM, where high bandwidth and density are critical.
    • Assessment: 4DS directly competes in the AI SCM space, while MRAM’s applications (cache, IoT) don’t overlap significantly. MRAM’s strengths (endurance, retention) are misaligned with AI SCM needs.

    9. IMEC’s Involvement

    • 4DS ReRAM: 6–7 years of development at IMEC (2017–2024), with 20nm 6th lot (Q3 2024) and prior lots (e.g., 60nm 5th lot) proving manufacturability.
    • MRAM: Table 1 shows IMEC’s involvement in MRAM R&D (e.g., IEDM 2020, 2022), but commercial players (TSMC, Everspin) lead production. IMEC’s MRAM work focuses on scaling (e.g., sub-10nm) and performance (e.g., <10ns read).
    • Assessment: IMEC’s role in both technologies ensures process credibility, but 4DS’s focus on SCM aligns better with hyperscale needs, while MRAM’s R&D at IMEC targets different applications (cache, embedded).

    Critical Analysis: Is MRAM an Equal Competitor to 4DS in AI SCM?

    Strengths of MRAM (Table 1):

    • Production Maturity: MRAM is in production at 14–28nm (TSMC, Everspin), with 1–8 Gb chips available, giving it a 2–5-year lead over 4DS’s pre-production stage (1 Mb test arrays).
    • Endurance: 10^14 cycles far exceeds 4DS’s 10^9, ideal for cache or embedded applications.
    • Retention: Proven >10 years at 85–125°C, meeting SCM requirements, while 4DS’s 10-year retention is pending validation.

    Weaknesses of MRAM for AI SCM:

    • Speed: 30–50ns write speed (best case 30ns) is 6–10x slower than 4DS’s 4.7ns, unsuitable for AI’s high-bandwidth needs (e.g., neural network training requires <10ns latency).
    • Scalability/Density: 14nm with 33nm MTJ limits density (0.014 μm² bitcell, 1–8 Gb chips). 4DS’s 20nm and potential 5–10nm scaling enable higher density (0.01–0.05 μm², 4–16 Gb), critical for AI SCM.
    • Power Usage: 20–50 fJ/bit is higher than 4DS’s 10–20 fJ/bit, reducing cost savings in hyperscale data centers (e.g., 4DS saves 50% power, $1–2M/year).
    • Market Misalignment: MRAM targets cache, embedded, and IoT, not SCM for AI/big data. Its metrics (high endurance, low density) don’t address AI memory bottlenecks (latency, density, power).

    4DS’s Advantages in AI SCM:

    • Speed: 4.7ns write speed matches DRAM, ideal for AI workloads, outpacing MRAM’s 30–50ns.
    • Density: Smaller bitcell (0.01–0.05 μm²) and roadmap to 4–16 Gb align with AI’s need for high-density memory.
    • Power Efficiency: 50% less power than DRAM (and MRAM) saves $1–2M/year per data center, a key hyperscaler priority.
    • Scalability: 20nm now, with 5–10nm potential, surpasses MRAM’s scaling limits (14nm, 33nm MTJ).
    • Market Fit: Designed for SCM in AI/big data, directly addressing hyperscale needs ($5–10M/year savings).

    Relevance of IMEC’s MRAM Work:IMEC’s MRAM development (e.g., sub-10nm, <10ns read) aims to overcome scaling and speed limitations, but these are R&D efforts (e.g., IEDM 2022), not production-ready. 4DS’s 20nm 6th lot, also at IMEC, is closer to commercialization for SCM, with metrics already aligned for AI (4.7ns, 10^9 cycles). MRAM’s IMEC work doesn’t make it an equal competitor in 4DS’s space, as its focus remains on cache/embedded applications.

    Conclusion: MRAM as an Equal Competitor to 4DS

    The MRAM table from HotCopper (Table 1) shows progress in scalability (14nm), speed (<10ns read, 30–50ns write), and endurance (10^14 cycles), with production chips at 1–8 Gb. However, MRAM is not an equal competitor to 4DS in the AI SCM space for several reasons:

    1. Speed Mismatch: MRAM’s 30–50ns write speed (vs. 4DS’s 4.7ns) is too slow for AI SCM, where low latency is critical (e.g., <10ns for neural network training).
    2. Density/Scalability Limits: MRAM’s 14nm with 33nm MTJ (0.014 μm² bitcell, 1–8 Gb) lags 4DS’s 20nm and potential 5–10nm (0.01–0.05 μm², 4–16 Gb), making it less suited for high-density AI memory.
    3. Power Inefficiency: MRAM’s 20–50 fJ/bit (vs. 4DS’s 10–20 fJ/bit) reduces cost savings in hyperscale data centers, where 4DS saves 50% power ($1–2M/year).
    4. Market Misalignment: MRAM targets cache, embedded, and IoT, not SCM for AI/big data, where 4DS’s metrics (speed, density, power) directly address hyperscaler needs ($5–10M/year savings).

    IMEC’s Role: While IMEC advances both technologies, 4DS’s ReRAM is closer to commercialization for AI SCM (20nm, 6th lot), while MRAM’s IMEC work focuses on R&D for different applications (cache, sub-10nm scaling). MRAM’s production lead (14–28nm, 1–8 Gb) gives it an edge in other markets (e.g., automotive), but not in 4DS’s target space.

    Fast-Tracking Context (Prior Query): A big player (e.g., AWS, NVIDIA) could fast-track 4DS’s ReRAM to market by Q1–Q3 2025, leveraging its disruptive potential for AI. MRAM, despite its maturity, lacks the metrics to compete in this space, reinforcing your earlier point that MRAM isn’t a serious contender for 4DS’s applications.

 
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