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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview
well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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I must say this first; we, as the Australian lithium investors, are fighting against the Chinese government.
We are not just plain investors whom struggling in the free market conditions. The Chinese gov. is subsidising its lithium mining industry; both lepidolite mining and brine extraction in China.
I can see clearly now that majority of the brine resources are already being operated by the central state (Chinese gov.) companies and continuing production without worrying about profit. Lepidolite producing mines are mostly in the private company hands but they also continue production even though its very clear that they are making loss. So it's clear that the Chinese gov. subsidises them as well.
I have just finished researching the Chinese brine resources today. Because their brine resources are the largest LCE contributor to the Chinese production capacity.
As you can see on my Post #: 79286813 above I gave some production numbers about these resources;- brine production in China (Estimated: 130kt-180 LCE)
- lepidolite production China (Estimated: 100kt-150 LCE)
I can't be sure about the exact number because there is no data released by any of those lithium producers in China. I have done a detailed list of them but nothing is clear. Therefore I had to put min and max numbers.
When I was adding those numbers to the total world production I considered the max numbers; Brine: 180kt and Lepidolite 150kt.
I posted the lepidolite production costs before, and giving it again below. They are all making loss now. But they don't care about that.
When it comes to the Chinse brine resources; they have main resources at the Qinghai Salt Lake area at the altitude of around 3200mt.
Tibet salt lakes are actually better (in terms of higher lithium content and lesser magnesium in brine) than Qinghai lakes however the area is so remote and the altitude is so high (over 4000mt) and no infrastructure there. Also the raw lithium chloride extracted from brine has to be transported 2000km to the process plant.
All of those lithium carbonate extracted from those salt lakes have to have a very high cost. Actually the first company started operations in Qinghai area was bankrupted. The reason is the lithium content is very low and magnesium content is extremely high in the brine. They are so high that you can't even compare it with Argentinian salt lakes, and can never come close to the Atacama salt lake brines.
The magnesium/lithium ratio (which is the main factor for brine extraction) in these lakes are multiplies of 100s while it is less than 6 for Atacama and less than 3 for Argentinian lakes.
See below. The list of Qinghai lakes. The best lithium grade in one lake is 240 mg/L. This the worst grade in the Argentinian lakes. (They won't extract lithium from that brine it in Argentina). But the Magnesium is super high; 12,500 mg/L. No other by product credits like potash there.
The largest lake is Qarhan, and its lithium grade is 210 mg/L but Mg content is hyper high 66,500 mg/L. The company which was bankrupted was operating in this lake. Its Mg/Li ratio is of course very high; 320.
You can compare it with Atacama, Argantin and Bolivia (Uyuni) lakes below.
Atacama also has the potash content and it's good as a by product which can offset the cost of removing high Mg.
What I'm trying to say is, even the Atacama and Argentinian lake lithium brine producers are crying atm, how come the Chinese brine lake brine operators can make money? Not possible of course.
So it's clear that the Chinse government is subsidising all those operations.
You can see the evidence of that on the news link below;
"China sets up Beijing-backed lithium group to tap salt lakes"
Bloomberg News, Sept. 9, 2024.
"The sprawling mining-to-trading group backed by China’s central government will hold 53% of a new joint venture, China Salt Lake Group, which will in turn take over Qinghai Salt Lake Industry Co. .. The restructuring has been under discussion since at least April, and suggests a move by the central government to push for a bigger role in building out a key part of the domestic lithium sector. Qinghai province, covering a vast sweep of northwestern China, hosts many of the country’s lithium-bearing salt lakes."
I think it's clear now that we are fighting against the Chinese gov.
CHINESE GOV. STARTED THIS POLICY IN 2023 AFTER THE BIG LITHIUM PRICE SPIKE.
Before 2023 the Chinse gov. was not subsidising the lithium producers. For example Tianqi went into a financial trouble in 2021 because of the loan it got when it bought SQM's 23.77% share for USD 4b in 2018. Chinese gov didn't help Tianqi and Tianqi had to sell its 25% share to IGO which it had 51% in Talison Lithium which owns Greenbushes mine. However Tianqi still controls 100% of mine because it has JV (TLEA) with IGO and holds the control in that JV. And IGO had to sell its spod share to Tianqi China at the spot price. Stupid..!
GREENBUSHES IS THE BEST WEAPON FOR CHINA TO KEEP THE GLOBAL LITHIUM PRICE LOW
As you said Greenbushes was alone having been 38% of global hard rock and 22% of the total global lithium market not long ago. Now it produces ~1.5mt spod which equals to 200kt LCE. And it makes 13.3% of global LCE demand of 1,500kt.
That's a huge number. If you could remove 200kt LCE from the market, then it would be in big deficit.
Ok now.., here is the catch;
TIANQI, THE CHINESE COMPANY IN AUSTRALIAN SOIL, IS USING AN AUSTRALIAN ASSET AGAINST OTHER AUSTRALIAN LITHIUM MINERS WITH ONLY 26% SHARE.
As you know Greenbushes mine never cuts the production. It even tries to increase it (but not much chance). Flooding the market with 1.4mt spod or 185kt LCE.
49% of that spod produced there belongs to Albemarle but it also sends that spod to its Chinese refinery or sells it on the spot market. Albemarle has no control over the mine production. The mine will have to produce as long as Tianqi wants to do so. And Tianqi does it.
Albemarle has only on chance. The mine will keep producing, Albemarle can't stop it but it doesn't have to sell its produced spod share. So Albemarle has to stock that spod in somewhere. So that is not being viable for Albemarle too, because it also need the cash flow. Also stocking would mean that Albemarle would have to pay the production cost without any cash flow.
We can see how the Greenbushes mine is being used by the Chinse now.
Also, the Australian gov. loses huge tax income from the spodumene exports as the export price is too low.
For example, Greenbushes operations sales revenue was $10.5b and EBITDA was $9.5b in FY2023. Can you imagine the amount of tax they paid for that year? Billions.. (I didn't check out what the each company exactly paid).
Now, for this year, I think they will pay nothing.
WHO BENEFITS FROM LOW LITHIUM PRICES?
OF COURSE THE CHINESE GOV.
It's not only the Greenbushes mine which will not pay any tax because of the low lithium prices, it's all the other Australian lithium producers too will not pay any tax.
I think Australian gov.'s loss from taxes and royalties might be around at least $1.5b per year. (Calculated for 3.6mt spod, at USD1500/t sales price, ave AISC US$600, and US$900/t profit, AU$5b net profit for all, and 30% tax. Rough calculation, don't shoot me)
In contrary, all Australian lithium producers are now even asking Australian gov's help. It's a weird, or even a stupid situation.
THE CHINESE COMPANIES AND GOV ARE EXPLOTING AUSTRALIAN LITHIUM RESOURCES.
AND WE ARE WATCHING THEM..!
Now what you said is right;
"One option, whether realistic or not, is the Government step in. Other Governments do/have stepped in to halt supply of exports when it has gone against their National interest. Clearly all repercussions of this option would need to be thoroughly investigated before any action could be taken".
I agree this too.
"Not simply a ‘critical minerals stockpile’, or a more transparent market, but a minimum price on finite resources. This includes a minimum royalty payment to Government as well. Yes, these numbers need to be commercially realistic and take into account the bigger picture. Perhaps an OPEC style arrangement is worth looking into. Do South American producers also come into that equation? Everything should be considered."
Yes, I agree that a national critical minerals stockpile won't solve the problem. Also these resource are finite. There is a defined mine life for each of them; 12, 15, 20, 25 years, of course that depends on the mining capacity. But they will all be depleted and disappear. They are irreplaceable.
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