real climate scientists admit no rise in 10 yr, page-51

morning,

struggler brings up global dimming - certainly an interesting subject well worth exploring.

That said, I have been watching the climate debate for a long while now and I think I just stumbled onto an amazing fact (to me) that I haven't seen written anywhere.

I am at present in Germany - been here for 3 weeks with similar time to go.

I went to see the Alps the other day ------- guess what?

You can't see them - at least that day - not a sausage, not a bump, not a hill ------

you just can't see through this crap that man has created. True, it is not every day - but most days it is far from clear - in fact what I have heard it is very rarely clear - clear as we know it.

Do we need any more evidence? - People, if we can't see our world - we HAVE changed it - and changed it in a big way.

Do what strugger suggests and look at global dimming - you can see that too - I first noticed that in the difference in crystal skies in the wa outback compared to tassie over a 10 year period - I now know what it is called.

But then - look at what I am seeing - and that is NOT global dimming - this if far closer to the surface - and it is not just around citiies - it is very very widespread.

Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks that if you put a big blanket of particles/gas/crap over large parts of a land mass that you won't change the climate?

I saw the same thing in central asia a few years back and you can see it in many parts of asia - so much so that you can't even see the sky at all.

Wake up people - it isn't going to happen - it already has.

Have a great day

Pinto