One thing you can have credit for yak , is the success you have had in hijacking the topic of this thread. And I will agree with you that government should not be trusted -- the 9/11 commission report proved that beyond doubt. But Bob brown is correct in calling for an investigation, particularly of any of Murdochs media outlets here in Australia. Unless one is a fan of intrusion into people private lives, and other unethical practices ( there, is that less emotional for you ?) And yak, as a guy with his own blog site, you aren't very convincing. So you were just bluffing about having me on ignore ? I did a little research thru the HC archives and it seems you do quite a bit of bluffing -- one post you made was that it was your last post , you were leaving the site and wanted to say a teary farewell to the forum. As someone with thier own blog, a little more credibility would not go astray. Maybe I will pay a visit to your blog site , just for laughs.