G'day BT Its not just the present, its the fact that YOU bought it. At a BBQ on friday night someone (ok it was me) said the host could do with an apron, blah blah, then my wife mentioned that she received a really good apron from her mother and what that it was a good pressie. WELL! Can you imagine what would have happened if I bought her an apron for her birthday? I'd be on that meat diet, you know hot tongue and cold shoulder. LOL cheers Rod By the way that wasn't the highest level of conversation on the night :-)