Not a lot I can do about that to help you with the fact that you haven't managed to hit the target with your rampant speculations, sorry mate.
Meanwhile people like yourself, slypaladin, hanarahan etc are still banging on about how terrible it was that Gillard "knifed" Rudd.
Like, as if this is unusual in politics??
Some of you guys simply can't cope when behaviour like that comes from a woman...in fact you're obsessed with it.
Moodi blu:
re "silly" comment, Hawke was PM when Keating "knifed" him...did people obsess about it?
No, they did not!!
Why? Because it's "OK" when blokes do it, and "NOT ok" when women do it.
You don't get how ridiculous this is to only allow women to be either "nice" or they must be "bitches"?.
As for how unfair and terrible the "knifing" actually was?
Rudd was dysfunctional and there was a back bench rebellion and a rebellion from Cabinet, and a rebellion from the public service about the way he carried on. Because you apparently inform yourself via Murdoch press you have no idea of this reality. Try reading more widely is my suggestion and you might replace hatred with understanding.
Sorry if this suggestion offends you, but I'm being "nice" about it, truly.
Even Rudd, after leaking to the Murdoch press during the 2010 election like a spoilt child, conceded he had a lot to learn; what he still hasn't learned is he brought the "knifing" on himself.
Despite having claimed that he'd changed and learned, he acted very badly towards staff and his colleagues during this last election campaign and is a spent force as a result. They are keeping him on out of respect for his previous roles, but nobody will take him seriously from here on in. He can't leak anymore, they've worked him out.
Given the appalling circumstances, Gillard acted very late in ousting Rudd in 2010; too late IMO, but never mind.
She couldn't win either way could she? If she didn't act, someone else would have and she'd have missed out on the top spot when she had been Acting PM many times.
Re resisted the push against Rudd until they said you do it or someone else will.
Ironically she was too loyal for too long to Rudd. But you don't get rewarded for loyalty if you're a woman. Shut up and stay shut up, and be nice under all circumstances, and let the blokes run things is the consensus around here...LOL.
As for the inane comments that Abbott didn't deserve the misogyny speech: oh yes he did!!
He showed a total lack of respect for Gillard and the office of PM when he stood in front of banner saying ditch the witch,and endorsed the sentiments of those there etc.
He failed to refute people when they made irrational women hating comments in the media when talking with him, against her while she was PM. He made comments that women are "too emotional" to lead etc. There is plenty more but not sure if enumerating it will make any difference.
(the amount of emotion in the form of anger in this room stops real discussion...it's not an exchange of ideas and information, and not a real discussion as a result. I do my best to provide rational discussion and I have to manage the feelings of some of you that it makes you feel inferior? who's emotional here? the guys are! THAT'S what drove them mad with Gillard, she was cool under fire except for that single, well aimed speech...Hilarious.)
Abbott proceeded to lecture Gillard on how she should handle the Slipper matter...as if the text comments by Slipper weren't obviously disrespectful to women, as if Gillard hadn't noticed, and she hadn't acted on it! Gillard had expelled Slipper from the party...Abbott acted as if this hadn't happened.
The rank hypocrisy of his lecturing her how to handle it made her finally give him a well earned serve...the man has the hide of an elephant!
It was a rip snorter of a speech, was downloaded around the world and made Gillard a household name for calling a total hypocrite to account.
Kacy: nobody between Rudd and Gillard is suing for defamation. Just by way of interest, you may not realise that anything said in parliament attracts parliamentary privilege and is immune from law suit. OK?
It's highly unusual for politicians to sue for defamation. Gillard could have sued multiple parties but she's bigger than that.
Also she recognises a "nut job" when she sees one which is what the targets of a defamation case were and are.
(that SA Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young is busy testing the law of defamation, and in doing so is creating much more negative attention than the original issue...you're better off calling them out as nut jobs like Gillard did, then ignoring them. H-Y is well named is exactly that, she's young and will live and learn).
