excuse me, urkss, but your post is way too "general" for the "general" thread. perhaps in keeping with the "general" mood, could you please maybe try and find a way of sounding more outraged about not knowing who the most famous member is, and perhaps also try and tie in some grave fears that the most famous members are a clandestine group with possible connections to rothschild, 911, or for that real "a la mode" feel, the kid who held up the "behead all infidels" placard?