will the real god stand up if there is one, page-7

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"You see, when tangible origin is hard or impossible to search or find, we are only left with some kind of logical equation that is formulated by creating a premise or any premise which would have to rely on relativity in order to establish a source?"

Sure, but the problem with that is that it ALWAYS relies on a 'best guess' that it usually (but not always) coloured by the person's a-priori belief systems anyway. Or to put it another way, God puts just enough evidence in to make faith in him a reasonable thing but he leaves just enough out to make life without faith in something impossible.

"With due respect to you but isn't religion non progressive? It relies mostly on books, whereas science which is an extension of Philosophy does not go hand in hand with religion."

Not at all. Sure, a part of God's revelation is through books (or A book) but if anything in such books don't comport with reality in anyway then at least that part of the book becomes unreliable possibly undermining the reliability of the whole thing. But the other point is that it is claimed that, say, the Bible IS the word of God and therefore true at all points (based on our level of understanding of course), and TRUTH NEVER changes, ever. What's true now has always been true and is something is shown to be not true then it never was in the first place. If someone could prove the Bible or any part of it untrue then it would have vanished long ago.

Science on the otherhand is the process of expanding mankind's knowledge of a limited part of the universe, the 'physical' part. But even there it seems that 'science' has been hijacked over the last 200 years or so by philosophic materialism which is pretty sad and has locked us out of discovering much much more than we already have.

"You see not to be polemical or anything like that but when a scientific or philosophic question arises, religious followers have to rely only on their books which make up the whole story of their God because their God is Supreme, so all has to rotate around that God. Which, I say " fair enough "

Yes and no, as explained above if any 'scientific' question arises that seems to challenge anything Biblical then one only has to look the issue for a few seconds for it to resolve itself. I haven't seen anything yet that really challenges the Bible in that regard. I don't reject these ideas simply because they go against what I believe or what is written in a book somewhere, I reject them because they don't stand up to critical scrutiny.



"OK, go on then. You love to rabbit on a bout 'logic' but you never never seem to engage it. Why is that?
Good question, " because you see one thing based on your scriptures and I see another based not on scriptures "
You see your logic based on the bible is non logic based on philosophy and philosophical logic makes no sense to followers of the bible as the two are far apart, so, what is left is your world based on faith of your God/s and my world based on tangible evidence relating to a more concrete style of life."

Not at all. 1) I never mentioned the Bible in my previous post and I have NEVER tried to link it to logic. 2)The laws of logic are universal and apply to everyone equally.

"So at the end of all of this we love and peace in any case."

Sure, isn't that the way it's supposed to work? :)