All I meant to convey with my 'real Universe' remark was - the Universe is what it is regardless of our religious or non religious beliefs about it, or our mathematical or conceptual models of it, or what it may ultimately be, or how it came about....if it did, or if it has always existed in some form, or if it is a part of a greater system or not. We do not know.
Except all of our religious folk, they know...they think they know, they claim they know and claim to have all the answers....it's all there they say, in the Gita, in the Quran, in the Pentateuch, in the new testament, but none of them actually agree on the details, not even amongst believers of the same religion....but they all know, by god they know....nothing.
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