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    when someone says ' they can cure oversupply by stopping producing their 300Mpta' - i laugh and laugh and laugh

    time to revisit our business 101 primer - ' the problem of fixed costs.'

    AT THE SAME TIME
    - in 2004 the world need 300Mtpa in raw steel - by 2012 China has made it 900Mtpa.

    So China has led to a roughly 200% increase - of which you can fairly assume that - at normal rates a society of 1bn on a planet of 5bn probably only needs say equal to the other societies,

    If it was 2004 that would mean 600Mtpa.

    But there's progressive increase in all societies, so I would say 'normal' global raw steel demand is about 700Mtpa.

    It takes 1.2mt of iron ore to produce 1Mt of pig iron - so that requires 840Mt of iron ore

    So
    vale - 510Mtpa from 2017
    Rio - 370Mtpa from 2017?
    Bhp - 295Mtpa
    Fmg - 155Mtpa
    then all the rest

    1.33Bn tonnes of iron AT LEAST seeking to address a 840Mt demand.

    I do expect China will remove some of its internal SOE production once Vale's expansion comes through.

    But you will still see rampant oversupply

    Unless China or India re-engages in a massive second round of construction - the global iron ore market will collapse in price the next 2 years

    The supply will be so abundant there won;t be any 'bid' tension.

    all alse being equal, costs will fall into the $us20s - to meet the marginal cost of production of the big 4.
 
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