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24/10/17
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Originally posted by whereu
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"Whereu, nowhere in the quotes you posted does it mention association with the "Watchtower" or "New York". That remains a claim you make. Of course Jehovah deals with people through just one organisation today as he always has in the past.
Congregation"
The JW congregations are the people who meet in Kingdom Halls. The umbrella group (for want of a better word) that is deemed to be the vehicle through which it is claimed that God "deals with people" are the Governing Body based in NY. This body which I refer to as Watchtower, NY, controls what members of the congregation are supposed to believe and do. Of course there are "leaders" within congregations that are supposed to ensure that congregations stick to the directives from the Governing body based in NY.
The congregations that are under the auspicious of the Governing Body together with that Governing Body itself is the "organisation" in JW speak - which I call rightly or wrongly Watchtower.
This is what these two quotes from Watchtower say (bearing in mind what the organisation is in JW speak and your statement that there is only one organisation through which Jehovah "deals with people"):
To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12
Watchtower simply says that to receive everlasting life we must identify with the (one and only) organisation described above.
"Jehovah’s visible organization can use you, but can get along without you too. But you cannot get along without it. Fruitless ones are eventually pruned off and never missed as new ones are grafted in. Pruned-off branches soon wither and die, being cut off from the circulating, life-giving sap." Watchtower 1950 Jan 15 p.26
Watchtower in talking about Jehovah’s visible organization which is the one and only one according to you through which Jehovah deals with people - the one controlled by the Governing Body in Watchtower offices in NY.
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In summary JWs through their Governing Body based in NY believe that salvation only comes to those who associate with the organisation - and the rest are destined for some sort of fire pit.
If you don't believe this then I congratulate you on taking the first steps to be free of the strangling effects of beliefs based on false doctrine and false prophecies.
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If you don't believe this then I congratulate you on taking the first steps to be free of the strangling effects of beliefs based on false doctrine and false prophecies.
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Whereu, no one is ever pressured to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses or to remain one. We accept Jehovah's decision to give us free will.
Jesus taught his followers not to push others to change their beliefs. Instead of trying to force people to accept the good news of the Kingdom against their will, his disciples were to look for listeners who were receptive.—Matthew 10:7, 11-14 .
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/change-religion/