Why Study the Bible?, page-196

Hi Tonio, good to see your reply and to help me understand from whence you come.
Sorry mate, not a small post and neither are the areas you cover and having said this, what I do cover is ONLY the tip of the iceberg, trust me on that one!

Hi Wotsup,

This is Christ speaking through the Holy Spirit in Mal 3:1 , not the Father of Jesus
John is preparing the way before the coming of Christ (Lord)

Well,,,,, according to many areas that come to mind Tonio and I will just quote one for now, there appears some serious problems with that statement;
Acts 2:33 - Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, which we now see and hear (The comforter).
So you see here Tonio, just for starters, God and the Father are One in the same and unquestionably confirmed shortly.
You really need to understand Tonio, God is 'a' Spirit and there is but ONE Spirit and that Spirit is (has to be) The Holy Spirit and by that One Spirit under the promise Jesus received, He also comes to us under the comforter subject and That Comforter is this One Spirit, The Spirit of Truth = God. Jesus and us are the Temple of God and Jesus being the Door.

Did you notice, Jesus received the promise to GET the Holy Spirit, absolutely NO reference to getting it Back as in, He once had it before he came or even use of it.
If you read or assume ANYTHING else into it = IS to add to God's word = No if but's about it = NO NO.

Acts 2:22 makes it very clear - God through Jesus, actually did all the miracles and Jesus himself, over and over tells us this and gives Zero references or hint at, This was only while I was in flesh = Zero = To assume, imply is to add to God's word and how on earth will we know what to follow of the True Church = Jesus.
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I'm only using colour to show a clear distinction of whose who.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I (Almighty God and Father of Jesus, Peter 1:3) will sen my messenger, (John) and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, (Jesus) whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant,.......

From what I see here Tonio and no disrespect, We have "three" shall we say, Beings, separate "identities". God, Jesus and John.
Otherwise if Jesus was saying it as You say, He would have said, I whom you seek, shall suddenly appear.

Isa 40:3&10 - The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert highway for our God.
10. (Hebrew) Behold, the LORD GOD with might will come and his arm (Jesus) shall rule to behold, his reward, he shall feed his flock like a shepherd, in his arm, he shall gather the lambs in his bosom.....................

But never the less, lets see what John has to say;
John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
So to say Jesus was speaking through the Holy Spirit, your effectively saying, two thirds of Your God was speaking, and yet John 1:6 says, God sent John.

So lets see who Jesus says is The God in these verses;
John 20: (Part thereof) - Jesus speaking - I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God and your God.
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.............
Both 1&2 Cor tells us - Temple - 1 Says God dwells in us and the other - The Holy Spirit = One in the same as God IS ONE.

You see Tonio as John's Gospel also tells us, John was preparing the way first for God who was about to send His Son (right arm) into the world which was at around 1:14, and Baptism time. Prior to this period, John was preparing the way, telling of the one also coming and as John 1:17 shows, John was doing this under the Moses way and baptizing in water as the Holy Spirit way was not yet in play as John says, further along.
So when you see 1:14, The glory etc it is in reference to our Almighty God AND Jesus Because God through "HIS" ONE Spirit, was dwelling IN His Son as promised - Emmanuel.
Jesus spoke the words of God "FOR" God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Acts also tells us, Jesus was anointed "FOR" or so he could preach = Same thing.

God = The Word, Spirit, Light and they ARE one as God IS ONE.
What Does the Bible Say About John The Baptist?
Deuteronomy 18:18 ESV

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
And you know Jesus confirms this several times.


So to say Jesus was speaking through the Holy Spirit, your effectively saying, two thirds of Your God was speaking, and yet John 1:6 says, God sent John just a Mal 3:1 tells us.
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King James Bible 1 Pet 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow

Not sure if you are aware, but this Spirit here is Not reference to the Holy Spirit and that is pretty much confirmed above as Jesus received the promise of it and yet as you know he was alive and had "a" Spirit, he was as a Man, made lower than Angels.
We know however, how he came to be born through Mary, Holy Spirit etc, but we won't side track the subject ATM.
If one knows not God, you know not the other, or words to that effect, so first milk first.

King James Bible 2 Pet 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I assume you are referencing this verse and saying Jesus had use of that before 1:14 or his birth, in OT times.
Well,,,,, so far Tonio, You have shown NO verses to Me that show Jesus was around literally, other than in the plan of God.
I WILL NOT be party to speculations, mans essays as in Elohim as I have shown, God/Father/Spirit/Word/Light are one and Yet they a Plural = Elohim.
Moses was referred to as Elohim = How many Moses were there??? Hmmmmm!!!
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Wotsup that is not what scripture states
It states that the Rock that was Christ was with them and feed them

Feed them - Hmm,,, You would have to show the verse where the "Rock" fed them.
That aside, the OT clearly shows, in those times, Almighty God was The Rock.
Never the less, there was Two types of food, one the literal precursor, effectively of what was to come.
AND AND, The Word - The Word of God and namely, The Tablets, commandments.

Think for a moment and especially with John's Gospel, what was the Key message form Jesus?
He brought The Word of His his Father and THAT word IS SPIRIT and LIFE.
God spoke, and there were Trees, Spirit and life as the words come form God who is that Spirit and that Spirit gives life.
Hence if you have his word in and abiding in you, Eternal life which was in the Beginning with the Father as 1 John 1:1-2 says and all through Gen's creation account. So because The Word and Spirit are one, more word in you and abiding in it = More Spirit of God as they are one and God is ONE.
Hence at Jesus baptism, Spirit without measure, fullness of God's word within him = John 5:26 And not before - For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself, because he had the Seed of God in him, The Word of God.

So that bread came from heaven, The Word of God which Jesus gave hence he says, I am that bread because as Rev tell us, He now has the name written, which apparently, no man knew = The Word OF God. (And it seems many still don't ?)
Notice The OF = You come from "something" and that IS The Word = His Father, Image of BUT NOT the one he is OF.

You don't need to be a brain wave to work that out, first two verses in John lets you know clearly, God IS The Word and the third verses, shows what God and His Word did, and if your not sure, Pop to Gen = And God said, and God said, and God said = DRRRRRRR.
Your word is your expressed thoughts and we know, God had Jesus in his thoughts for one, slain before the foundation of the world.
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King James Bible 1 Cor 1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

Again Tonio, no disrespect but-- What part in the verse are You not seeing - That followed them, many years later?
Lets see what the Bible says about that one;

2 Sam 7:12 & 14 Part thereof and to David - And when thy days be fulfilled, and thy shall sleep with thy Fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels and I will establish his kingdom.
14. I will be his Father, and he shall be my Son............
Notice, will be's & shall be's, NO hint of anyone currently existing = Zero.

Now we know Moses was told, I will raise them up a Prophet and I will put MY WORDS in Him.
Luke 2:52 - And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

Doesn't sound like a pre-existence here mate?
Did they have a fight on who was going to come down and Jesus fell out of favour?

So I ask Tonio, can you show me a single verse that even hints at, David, Moses, Abraham etc who were ALL told the same thing, Did Not think that this was future?
Seriously - Would any of them or is there any hint of a verse that - They thought the future Seed currently existed other than the seed in God's plan, His Word?
If not, Please don't ever ask me to participate in any assumptions, essays or philosophy of man etc etc as that doesn't sit to well with me at all.

The cloud Tonio, was God's presence via His Spirit, hence they were baptized to this and in the sea AND, the Rock was the word of God, Meat, Drink, God and in the future the right arm so to speak, Jesus was to become that rock and that is why the verse "clearly" says, that rock in future context was always going to be completed in Jesus, who as you know followed, at the Birth to Mary, that's the hope they had and followed.
And the reason it was the same meat, drink, because Jesus was slain in the plan of God = The Word, reasoning, expectations etc as outline in the Logos meanings "BY" the Greeks and not wotsup!

Jesus tells us, in No uncertain terms, We are to BE, born again BY The Word of God which IS the Seed of God and Jesus is a Seed of God, the Light OF God.

Why do so many people have so much trouble in understanding what "OF" means???

Jesus was the Tent/Tabernacle/Flesh that OUR God and Father dwelt and he was the first and he wants others to follow SO SO SO, God can be ALL IN ALL including his precious Son Jesus.

PS. The Deity subject - For one - Show me those verses and Two - Don't assume you know what I know and feel in that area as I don't recall covering that area in much detail. I place Jesus just as our God and Father places him and expects of us, as the Bible tells us and Not what Man says, as you, they can't bring me life eternal.

My wish would be or is, that you would find The True Light, or should I say, the Father OF lights.