I love reading what you guys post and yet I find it sad also. It proves to me that no matter is said or proved that there always will be a counter arguement with both sides strengthening their resolve to win the fight. Common sense, a sense of fair play and even common decency soon disappears as the subject of the disagreement soon loses clarity. Regardless of potential rights on the opposing side, no ground is given, this sign of weakness would have the foe gloating and probably pushing harder to win the next round. No...it is better to stand our ground and keep the fight brutal.