I am not a denailist or believer. I just looked at the economics and said why are we destroying Australia's manufacturing sector when that lost production goes to China or India who either use our coal or use even dirtier coal to produce our lost production. In other words where are the net savings in global CO2 through the actions you propose to Australia. How do we get China and India to play ball and here are two graphs to make you think - where are the net CO2 savings LOL by destroying Australia's manufacturing sector on a world wide CO2 scale. Looking forward to your answers as both of you IMO are talking dribble (high level) without seeing reality that CO2 is still going up regardless of what Oz does. All we have done is destroy Australian jobs with no net reduction in global CO2 levels as we transferred that production offshore to more polluting countries.
Also do you want the Indians to continue to still live without electricity - where is electricity production going to come from in that country to lift them out of poverty and that my friend is the useless inconsistency of the moronic Greens I see IMO and hence why they deserve to be put last on ballot papers. And by the way, when the Greens say Oz should do more to create jobs that is a laugh as they are destroying jobs through the latte set who vote for them not understanding that jobs creates the revenue to support the welfare they want to give to all.
No in part my initial post on this thread was directed at the high end manufacturing commodities which we were and/or are still making and energy costs account for a very large proportion of production costs (ie. alumina production/Onesteel?the processing plants in Newcastle/ Wyalla industrial area and even car making etc etc). These were the industries that survived the reduction in tariffs initially but the rise in energy costs has done them over - Wyalla. That was my point and what we have lost is been produced in China, so no CO2 savings, just an export of Australian jobs who might even be using Australian coal or LNG in that production process or at worse even their own dirty energy sources.
The transformation in China's economy is what is increasing greenhouse gases. And India will be next, so whatever we do here will have no impact on CO2 emissions unless the world takes a tougher stance on China and I doubt the ALP or Greens here would have the courage to do that. That is what urbanisation does in China, but as to EV cars just be mindful that it takes a lot of energy to produce lithium carbonate/hydroxide and then batteries. Here is a nice graph showing what I said:
