re: are israelis racist - no more than catholics!
Further on my point...
.....take the issue of salvation in the Catholic Church.
If you mean to be serious about racsim, and/or discrimination....
.....nothing, and I mean NOTHING... is a better measure of this than ones views on your ETERNAL status.
If the Jew in your view stands condemned for the treatise of "The Chosen People" and if then the cutlic, sectists ramblings produce the type of rhetoric you posted on at the beginning of this thread..
...then YOU MUST, in all honesty...draw the same measure across the Catholic religion and the Vatican!
Here's their view on salvation if you are not a Catholic...reads pretty poorly, no???
"...the Church has infallibly defined as follows:
" There is but one universal ["Catholic" means universal] Church of the faithful, outside which NO ONE at all is saved. (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
" We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull, Unam Sanctum, 1302.)
" The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that NONE of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics [Protestants] and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, UNLESS before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, NO ONE, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441).
Heron....these infallible declarations of the Popes are part of what was once commonly referred to as the dogma
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus -- Outside the Church there is no salvation. Dogmas are revealed truths by God through the Church's hierachy. Truth cannot change. This dogma is key, because without it, there would be no need to evangelize. This dogma embraces everything that is of absolute necessity for salvation and which can only be found in the one True Church of Jesus Christ, The Catholic Church: the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the Sacraments and Priesthood to administer them.
So these quotes go to the infallibility of the dogma
"Do away with this one dogma and the Church has no claim to universal authority over all men on behalf of Jesus Christ.
"The dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus cannot change..."
"'Outside the Church there is no salvation' is a solemnly declared dogma which has always been believed and taught by the Church. Were this not so, it could never have been defined ex cathedra in the first place, for no Pope can declare something to be true unless it has always been true, if only recognized implicitly, such as the Immaculate Conception."
Heron........the official position of the Roman Catholic religion remains that there is no salvation outside the "church" of Rome.
