God to send delusions, page-204

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    I don't really mind how you envisage the Creator of The Universe, since such is in any case, beyond Man's understanding.

    Also as you know, I am not a Christian and don't believe the Bible is either the inerrant word of God or that Christians should regard it as the sole authority for the practice of Christianity.
    As far as I can see, it was only given this place because those who rose against the established Church and rejected much of it's tradition and practice, had little else to serve as authority or guidance.

    However, just as a matter of interest, why is that Trinity advocates pick a couple of verses and interpret them to elevate Jesus to be 1/3 Creator of The Universe (I think it's 1/3rd but maybe it's the whole ??), when practically everything else particularly in the NT, screams out that Jesus, his apostles and early disciples regarded God the Father as greater than them all and would be astonished to have Jesus considered as THE God.
    Surely it is only because the pro Trinitarians got the upper hand around 360 AD and became the dominant authority.

    Why the claim that because Jesus is sometimes said to be the word of God, ie clearly as the spokesman of his Father, and because word is used elsewhere in relation to THE WORD of God, that therefore Jesus must be God ?

    That's like saying someone you appoint as spokesman or to act on your behalf, must actually be you.
    Likewise with claims about "I Am" and "Alpha and Omega". This shows a complete lack of understanding about scale.

    Wotsup doesn't express himself very well and has no idea how to put forward a cohesive argument, but through shear plodding and persistence he has arrived at the correct view of the Trinity doctrine.
    Ie, a doctrine of the early victorious Church but it is not what Jesus or anyone close to him understood or claimed and is not Biblically based. Just because terms such as word, spirit, Jesus, Son of God, God and god are used even together, is not an expression of the Trinity doctrine. I hope you see this from what Eusebius wrote.

    Good luck with your study of early Church history.
 
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