Howdy,
Only spotted your post by chance and your questions are fair and reasonable, having said that, I don't have all the answers.
Now then, if there are some aspects you don't understand, as I hear this a lot on here (?) and yet most never bother to ask me to explain or elaborate = ODD?
Now then, as I keep seeing this, I listen and go back over some posts and "often" I have placed not much more than Bible references and get the reply, OH too much, I can't understand = YOU what, you can't understand the Bible?
I mean, I see some very bad writings at times, but rarely am I stumped as to what that person is saying on the whole, so to be honest I'm becoming a bit mystified?
I some cases I have actually tested some with what I think are Black and White verses and yet their reply IS, no way is it saying this = WHAT?
Mark 4:12 - That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
In some instances and as sad as it is, the likes of the above verse has to have been the case, Zero question about it as there is No other explanation, as I have done numerous tests in this regard.
Lets just see how the latest pans out that I sent someone?
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Q1. In your Post #: 34494585, you say, “Jesus 2nd Adam but born of The Holy Spirit which is The Almighty God and Fathers and I would say, to Mary that it was not even her egg ...”
Which scripture says that Jesus did not develop from one of Mary’s eggs?
In short, none that I am aware of;
Now if we were speaking person to person, this would be easy and it also requires understanding of quite a few areas.
1 st Adam and 2nd Adam understanding, what putting on immortality actually is, related to Flesh meanings of 1st and 2nd Adam's etc.
Jesus's words - that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit and so on.
The word in Hebrew for flesh although spelled the same, it has two meanings, 1. flesh of the body and 2. flesh as in Good News, Tidings, hence the misunderstanding of John 1:14 and what it is really saying.
Jesus covers these areas as per Hebrew, even in the Greek.
So flesh as in us coming from the 1st Adam, what comes from flesh is flesh, of dust, earthly and we have inherited good and evil, not going to heaven, earthly.
2nd Adam, Jesus is born of the Spirit and not of earthly, dust, = so if it was Mary's egg, that would make him part earthly, hence a problem.
The Bible says, flesh cannot enter heaven and yet Jesus made it very clear, he was Flesh, rose as such and we are told, he will come in like manor, but his is not of dust, hence why I put what I see here, and this is only a brief.
So it is the evil side of us (fleshly) that will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, not quite the magic as some may think, or complications.
Adam and Eve received Good and Evil.
Since, on Earth, Jesus was human and developed in a womb as we all do, wouldn’t he have developed from an egg somehow fertilized by The Holy Spirit?
Since God knows everything there is to know about human life, He would certainly be capable of manipulating a few chromosomes in one of Mary’s eggs to trigger it’s development, don’t you think?
He is obviously capable, but to me it clashes as I have briefly set out and like wise with his ability, He wouldn't need an egg.
Having said that, I don't think it would be a big issue if one just said, well,...I don't really know so I'll just accept, God did it haha.
We need to look at what I say was the prelude, stage set = Abraham and his Son, the son never pre-existed and IMO God put forward no more than what he himself wasn't prepared to do, as in what he did with Jesus.
Everything from the beginning just repeats, repeats from Gen to Rev, pretty much the same with different periods, ramp-ted up, people numbers etc.
Jesus was to also set the example for us, pre-existing makes the example impossible to follow.
Not mention down grading his achievements in a Huge way.
Not to mention what God gave.
The following is possibly not Biblical as such, but lets just say it's the guidance of the Spirit of Truth of logic if that words for you.
Eze describes how well satan was made the "day" he was created, the Bible shows where a "day" first become, so that should raise some thoughts.
But putting that aside, he was made perfect, so you can imagine him pointing the finger at God, it's your fault as you claim you made me perfect.
Man created the problem, man needed to fix it IMO and not a known pre-existing Spirit who is going to have all his brains emptied = madness to think such IMO.
So you can see God saying, OK then, I'm just and I will show you, a man lower than you will show you up, hence as Moses and David were told, a "FUTURE" one with no hint whatsoever that this future one already existed in any way shape or form = ZERO and there are numerous verses on the same line so WE have to STOP creating nonsense (Deu 18:18 and 2 Sam 7:12-14 for starters).
John's 1:1-2 for anyone to even consider that your Word doesn't start IN you, (1:1-2) are off this planet, I mean goodness me, as your reading this posts, YOU are assigning words, thoughts in your mind right now and you may express them?
There yours, with you and are you, part of and at the beginning, here and now, they are with you,
God is WORD = "THE" WORD = all of his Words/plan, inner and outer (The Word of God) and Jesus had this and expressed the God and Father out.
He could have said, if you have seen me and heard me, you have seen and heard the Father John 14:10.
Hence Jesus is the express image and that's what that means, fullness or without measure in him, Spirit/Word, expressed out.
Jesus as Jesus came forth, expressed out of God and then sent into the world after Baptism. (Trained, led and taught of God).
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In Luke 10:18, Jesus says: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”
So, presumably Jesus, in his pre-human spiritual form, was present during the war and when God did his creation.
If Jesus had no pre-existence, how could he have seen Satan fall like lightning from heaven?
I'm glad you add PRESUME = Look at the numerous verses that go AGAINST this view, assumptions verses many Bible passages, count me OUT of that one, not happening.
Scripture interprets scripture and NOT mans assumptions which are on thin ice if ice at all.
This IS the very reason we have all the differing interpretations = Fact.
I'll be straight up, this is not an area I have looked into and neither bothered with as the amount of evidence pointing to the non pre-existence is staggering.
So I will put forward some thoughts from areas I have in thy mind ATM, so don't shoot me haha.
Remember the Comforter area, Jesus says he will remind us of what he said = for us today as well, despite what many may tell you.
John 3:12 - If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
And then he gives an example of a "future", heavenly event that's going to be;
3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
So the point I'm making here as shown in John often, we need to be switched on as a passage can turn on a dime, one minute present and the next a future context.
Now man I note has created all sorts of this verse = Sad.
It's a future event he is describing - He died, told Mary do not touch as in contaminate the sacrifice, goes to heaven, (sacrifice presented, clean) not necessarily for long, comes back down, 40 days or whatever it was and back up to the RHS of God.
But OH no, too simple so man creates a huge pork pie out of simplicity in this verse and say see, He came down from heaven = Yea right.
Luke 10:18 - And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (Lightning is obviously what he saw, was it literal or a vision?).
But when exactly, you need to back up in this area, pay attention the ALL the verses leading up to this and keep in mind the example I gave above.
John 12:31 - Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 14:30 - Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Rev 9:1 - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 12:7-9 - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the "whole world" -->(now): he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (My gut is, this recently happened, and don't forget there are more than one heaven, so these areas are more than just one single event and I think you will find in Dan, a vision was given of this future event).
So it would seem he was first cast out of the higher heaven and later here the lower?
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