and on that note minchinyon i give up.....humans within the church formed all those symbolic rituals and ways...the Church stands regardless of those individuals and will always stand because people can still manage to come together into a body of one. Same with human endeavour everywhere families companies etc. Why humans today are trying to pull down institutions is a sign of widespread insanity as far as i can see. Such shallow vision as to what the institutions stand for...cannot understand what motivates people like that. Feminists do not want successful family groups. The Alp does not want successful corporations/companies they want the bureacrats to control everything cos they think they can stay in power longer that way if they manipulate everything. Abolish freedom to associate. Thought commies were dead they aren't they simply emigrated to Oz.
