Christianity question

Originally posted by RM ↑

Originally posted by bruceyg
my two bobs worth -

the ot pointed to jesus and his salvation all throughout especially through the feasts.

however moving to the nt he said, and was quite explicit, in that it was/is not the fathers will that any should perish but that all come to repentance.

he exposited that none can come to the father but by (through) him.

thus the way to salvation is belief in jesus not as a mere man or prophet but in his fulness as the son of god who left his first estate for the salvation of mankind and to those whom would accept it (including the birth death and resurrection).

heaven and hell were also subjects he preached about, much of which the audience were already familiar with.

regarding the "good person" narrative it doesn't stack up with what is taught by jesus and his apostles later. the fact is that hell is full of good people. what differentiates those who go to heaven is simply the acceptance of jesus and those that don't.

not to sound trite but there is a truth that has been explained and a "truth" that others teach. the truth is that there can only be one truth - and that truth is jesus
Hi Bruceyg

you might have to break the bad news gently to someone that those doing the good works in Matthew 25 are the Christians. They have had the kingdom prepared for them they are already believers.

They may have also missed the fact, how I do not know, but it is the righteous who are the sheep and the goats will be given justice by being judged by the full letter of the law. The faith of the righteous is completely dependent on God it comes from God not from man and his works.

Philippians 3:9

and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Any sheep of the flock of Christ will follow the good shepherd because he knows them and they know his voice and the flock will produced good works. It is not the good works creating the sheep, it is the sheep the Christians doing the good works and the righteousness comes from God.

Matthew 25:31-46 (NASB)

The Judgment

31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [a]take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

”Footnotes:Matthew 25:44 Or serve

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Hi Everybody

They may have also missed the fact, how I do not know, but it is the righteous who are the sheep and the goats will be given justice by being judged by the full letter of the law. The faith of the righteous is completely dependent on God it comes from God not from man and his works.

And here we have the the nutters of hot copper exposing their contradictions once again.
How any human being can actually believe that salvation comes through Jesus but you only get to Jesus if God calls you. But then they will argue that if God doesn't call you its your own fault.
The fact that we are supposed to have been given a free will completely escapes these nutters. And it is how WE use our free will is what we will be judged on.

I would also point out that Matthew was quoting Jesus. Full stop. You cannot qualify what Jesus said with anything that Paul said.

It is what man does that makes him righteous. That is what Jesus is saying. It is a good man using the wonderful gift of the brain that the Creator has given for good works that is a reflection of faith, not the other way around.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Nothing there to suggest that these are the people god has called, or he knew in advance. That is a nonsense.
The people of good works earn the blessing of the Creator and the kingdom. That what the judgement is about. What have you done. It cannot be "I didn't call you so you are damned." Or you did not cry abba abba every day so you are damned.

Pear