Hi Creative try 16 years pre IPO for VAN(ORD). I have been married a few times for less and yet I hang on ! Yep I have seen everything bad with VAN that is systematic of most small caps these days..hopefully now the facts are talking louder than rhetoric - The drilling results and the latest JORC are impressive and the main team are miners and geo's. I have averaged down by participating in all issues to date however it is a bucket load of money...I am a tragic investor...I live in hope...just maybe ??