Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
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all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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Fig. 1. The decline of the silver content of Roman coinage, as envisaged in Haines 1941: 47.
brought about the collapse of theroman monetary system through its progressive debasement,
so that financial chaos ensued.24
As with so many features of theromanempire, its monetary system is seen as the creation
of Augustus, whose wisdom and foresight remained unmatched by his successors. Augustus
has become the standard inroman imperial numismatics, the benchmark against which the
performance of all others is measured.his coinage is seen as ‘good’ money, replete with natural,
intrinsic value.25indeed, a synonym for theroman imperial monetary system up to the middle
of the third century is the ‘Augustan system’ or ‘Augustan coinage’: an interlocking system of
denominations in high quality gold, silver, brass and copper.26it is this system that is described
as being ‘manipulated’ or ‘adulterated’ by Augustus’ successors, so that to describe change in
roman currency is to describe the process by which this ‘once splendid coinage of imperial
rome’ was despoiled.27
Kevin Butcher
24Petit 1974: 198-201. Some have, however, questioned
whether inflation was high, e.g., Corbier 1985.
25‘true money’: Wassink 1991: 468.
26Sydenham 1919; Callu 1969: 482; Walker 1978: 110;
Casey 1980: 11; Wassink 1991: 470, 473; Harl 1996: 73-96;
Hitchner 2005: 211; on the interlocking system, see Harl
1996: 72-73. For a critique of the concept of an ‘Augustan
system’ applying to gold and silver, see Butcher and Ponting
2015.
27Sydenham 1919: 129.
184There is certainly no avoiding the fact that a denarius of the early first century AD was made
of pure silver, whereas a radiate or antoninianus of Claudius II (AD 268-270) is almost pure
copper. The seemingly hard evidence can be tabulated (e.g. Harl 1996: 127; 130) or displayed in
graph form, usually showing the silver content of the coinage through time sloping downwards,
ever more rapidly, towards oblivion (e.g. Casey 1980: 10; Duncan-Jones 1994: 226; Rathbone
1996: 327). I choose here an early example of the genre from Haines 1941 (Fig. 1). A better
visual metaphor for imperial Rome’s decline would be difficult to find; and, whether by accident
or design, the word used to describe the apparently progressive alloying of silver with copper in
the coinage is almost invariably ‘decline’.28the reasons for the debasement can still be debated
(e.g. Lo Cascio 1981) although the majority view is that the alloying was a short-sighted policy
conducted by bankrupt rulers that led to the currency losing its value, culminating in the third
century in the ‘Augustan’ currency’s ‘collapse’.29the trajectory of the silver coinage thus seems
to mirror the fortunes of theromanempire itself, and, as we have already seen, the consequences
are generally regarded as having been profound.
When it comes to the precise cause of the devaluations, however, the accounts tend to
become less certain. Sometimes the coinage is said to have lost value because it became
debased (a ‘metallist’ perspective, where coins have value because they are made of valuable
commodities); at other times it is said to have become debased because it lost value (for
example, because too much of it was in circulation, or, less commonly, because the price of
silver rose).30In the latter scenario, debasement was simply a way of enabling the State to
produce more coins.31Scholars have searched the literature for contemporary references to
hyperinflation and the economic crisis accompanying the debasements, but there is precious
little that does not require inference or emendation to make it fit. If there was high inflation in
the period from 215 to 260, the Romans seem to have been uninterested in recording it.32hard
evidence, in the form of price data, does not match the period of debasement.33A case can be
made for a rapid rise in prices in Egypt under Aurelian in AD 274-5 and before Diocletian
issued his Edict on Maximum Prices (AD 301), but these events comeafterthe main period
of debasement (AD 194-270).34This would seem to argue against a link between fineness and
inflation, favouring instead a link between quantity and inflation or some other factor. But
from the comments in many accounts, both recent and older, it would appear that there are
difficulties in separating the two, despite the fact that the two positions represent fundamentally
DEBASEMEnTAnDTHEDECLInEOFROME
28e.g.harl 1996: 126. ‘Decline’ and ‘fall’ are terms that
have been used in titles concerning the debasement of
roman coinage since at least the time of Mommsen 1851,
e.g. Oman 1916;haines 1941; Pense 1992;verboven
2007.
29‘Collapse’: Grierson 1975: 22; Walker 1978: 136; Casey
1980: 11; Potter 1990: 34; Wassink 1991: 483; Harl 1996:
126; Christol 1997: 164.
30A ‘complex’ problem acknowledged by Crawford 1975:
567, 590-1, who there tended towards the first option while
not entirely excluding the second: ‘iconclude that in a
world where a precious metal coin was a piece of bullion an
increase in the supply of currency did not necessarily lead
to inflation ... in the third century A.D. the reduction in the
purchasing power of the silver coinage was the direct result of
its declining intrinsic power’. See also Estiot 2012: 553-4.
31Heather 2005: 65. The argument is certainly plausible.
however, if the coins are devalued as a result, doesn’t that
reduce the overall quantity of money in circulation?
32Link between debasement and inflation: Crawford 1975
(above, n. 29); Walker 1978: 109, adding ‘we have no
evidence that it was realised that debasement might in the
long term be economically harmful’; Mann 1986: 287-288,
accepting a rise in prices, though qualifying this by stating
‘it is difficult to be precise about when or by how much’;
Tainter 1988: 137 arguing for inflation, ‘although good data
are lacking’.
33Wassink 1991.
34Duncan-Jones 1994: 26-7 and Rathbone 1996 and 1997
set out some of theegyptian evidence for episodes of price
inflation, particularly in AD 274-5, but Egypt had its own
silver coinage, changes to which do not parallel changes to
imperial coinage. See also Corbier 1985 and 2005b: 425-8.
185different understandings of the nature of money.35it would appear that the legacy of earlier
thinking about the decline ofroman coinage is not easily discarded.36
coinage has not always occupied a central role in accounts ofroman decline, and the tenor
of modern accounts is very different from earlier ones.indeed, the earliest students ofroman
imperial coinage were not much interested in change.the scholarly endeavours of the sixteenth
and seventeenth centuries focused on two main approaches to the material: one, concentrating on
coins as money, pursued through ancient texts, mainly by philologists and scholars of literature; and
the other, concentrating on coins as mementoes of illustrious historical figures and as illustrations
of antiquity, pursued through study of the coins themselves, by antiquarians. One might have
expected those interested in coins as money to be alert to change, but they were mainly concerned
with delineating a fixed system and defining monetary terms found in texts rather than charting the
evolution of a system. Antiquarians, on the other hand, sought to bring dignity to ‘medals’, as they
called their coins, and the study of these objects as money was regarded as sordid.37
the lack of interest in change can be explained in part by the confusion about the identity and
function of the objects that we now callroman imperial coins.38By the early seventeenth century
there was general agreement that they were monetary objects and not commemorative medals,39
but there remained uncertainty as to what denominations they represented. It was difficult for
the early savants to assemble enough material to conduct a meaningful survey of weights, and
to compensate for the even more meagre information about fineness it was generally assumed
that gold and silver were of high purity, at least until the time of the obviously base issues of
the third century. Despite all the doubts, some general pattern gradually became discernable:
therepublican weights of the gold and silver coinage had been abandoned for lighter ones
under eithernero or Vespasian, and there had been a debasement under Septimius Severus or
his successors, leading to the coinage of the mid third century becoming little more than billon.
Debasement was therefore understood as something that had happened comparatively rapidly,
or at least over a period not longer than about thirty or forty years and, for the few scholars who
ventured to think about the reasons, a link with expenditure during the frequent wars of the
period seemed plausible.
During the eighteenth century more systematic studies of weights emerged, and with it a
clearer understanding of the denominations. Johannes Eisenschmidt’sDe ponderibus et mensuris
veterum romanorum, first published in 1708, provided one of the first attempts to outline the
‘decline’ of imperial silver: therepublican weight for the denarius had survived up to the end
of Augustus’ reign, after which there was a decline in weight, untilnero had reduced its weight
to an eighth of an ounce. Afternero the denarius had remained stable until the joint reign of
Balbinus and Pupienus (AD 238), who had adulterated the silver with base metal.40thereafter the
Kevin Butcher
35Martin 2014: 143.
36One way of attempting to reconcile the two positions is
to claim that debasement facilitated increased production,
because that way the quantity of coinage was no longer
constrained by the supply of precious metal, as proposed by
Hitchner 2009 (though there the argument favours stability
over inflation).
37this approach had been pioneered byeneavico in his
Discorsi di M. Enea Vico parmigiano sopra le medaglie degli
antichi(1555). Joseph Bimard de la Bastie, in his introduction
to the 1739 edition of Louis Jobert’s popular handbook,
La science des médailles, sums up the antiquarian attitude
in his comment on Louis Savot’s enquiry into the function,
metrology and metallurgy of ancient coins,Discours sur les
medalles antiques(1627). Bimard recognized Savot’s work as
an ‘excellent book: but this clever man was content to study
medals exactly like coins; that is to say, that he envisaged
them from the least noble and least useful point of view from
our perspective’ (Jobert 1739: xvi).
38Erizzo 1559: 35-6.
39Savot 1627: 1-42.
40these imperial colleagues have never fully been able to
escape accusations that they helped to destroy the currency;
see below.
186coinage was further debased until the time of Gallienus and Postumus, after whom the currency
collapsed. Eisenschmidt is among the first to outlin