ronsterm, forget your position in debate for one minute and think about it like this:
when you are standing next to the surf, waves grow high, roll in and crash over and over. it looks very dynamic. it is fast, occasionally overwhelming, might even sweep you off your feet with its severity
when you observe the same surf from altitude, say 10,000ft, it looks remarkably static, and flat. it may even be receding tide.
can you understand how, through perspective, it is entirely possible for everyone here to be right at the same time, or do you need to insist that one side is right?
