TBH, there is a rusted on element in the AVZ forums who shout down anyone that is 'middle ground'. They accuse them of being trolls and having fake accounts. Then trolls take advantage of it, too.
Not naming names, but this forum has reaped what it sowed. If fan boys/girls shout down 'middle grounders' and accuse them of being trolls, fake accounts, or stupid, then they end up alienating ppl. It's happened time and time again. And, it's not as one sided as some make it out to be.
For clarification, I am not saying there are no trolls or shorters here. But the incessant flaming has produced more of them and attracted them to the forum in droves.
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