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13/06/22
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Originally posted by moorookamick:
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Our subs are not going to be Nuclear Armed and that was my point. We still have to rely on the US Nuke Armed Subs as the deterrant. So the we have to ask, if our proposed Nuke are only Nuke propelled Subs (Not Nuke Armed) , then what role do they play as a deterrent? Do we expect the Chinese to arrive here first in a vulnerable flotilla of ships? IMO no. China will have learned the mistakes made by Russia in the Ukraine war . IMO if China ants to attack/respond to a West attack it will be via its Hypersonic ICBMs which which can take out our major population centres & military.airforce & naval centres within half an hour The question is: Can we rely on the USA to protect us in such an event? IMO, no and the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is an example of that. IMO, once the Ukraine War settles there will be ghost cities and ghost factories left and the bottom like lesson here is if Russia had been intelligent it would have remotely bombed the Donbass into a wreck before it risked its troops on the ground and, that IMO, is the lesson that China will have learned whether that be dealing with Taiwan or Aus. This is why the Yanks in 1945 firebombed Tokyo & Nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki rather than risking US troops on the ground on mainland Japan. IMO Nuke powered Subs that are not Nuke Armed may be OK for countering an non Nuke Indonesiam threat, but worth diddly squat in facing a Nuked-Up China. And the ay the USA is going economically, we'll have to pay protection money to the USA to protect us from China . Trump's pressure on EU countries re their contribution to NATO is merely the tip of that iceberg, IMO.
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In some respects it appears we're on the same page. So rather engage in a circuitous debate I recommend this analysis of the value of nuclear powered subs, as it pertains to our long term strategic requirements in the Indo- Pacific:https://www.fpri.org/article/2021/10/strategic-choice-australias-nuclear-powered-submarines/