Andrew Tate Final Message

Originally posted by Parsifal: ↑

up until you played devils advocate - in terms of reflecting on the current state of play between the sexes I can pretty well agree. though the 1950s and earlier male /female relationships were more complex than we like to think. mothers were restricted in what they could or could not do, careers cut short no matter the competence, active use of psychiatric institutions in which to incarcerate non compliant women and so on. yes many young women aren't prepared toplay the game any more, and many others seek their relationships with other women - preferring intimacy of a different sort.

yes i agree that tate presents this image of an alpha to aspiring wannabes - those who wish they could have more than they have and could dominate women.

to your devil's advocate piece however.

'Ill play devils advocate for a moment though and imagine he is real.>the wealth and status he badly craved.
You say this as if its negative.

in the video i saw it wasn't about the link between wealth and women. he described it fairly and squarely in terms of envy - wanting it - wanting the car and the wealth and the status. It is what it is but I find it shallow. it may be perfectly acceptable to others but that is their business.

Women like high status and competent men.
He wants women. Further - young women just want to play the field until they're "ready" Why is it not entirely rational to attempt to be the man they want to play the field with? It works, so.. eh? Women are getting what they want, plane rides with a rich guy, he's getting what he wants out of them... What's the problem?

if you like that, of course it's not a problem. women have always had to navigate this social field. they have tolerated harems and the less pleasant side effects. There was a saying - how do you recognize a Brighton widow - she's the one wearing a black tennis dress

>like most narcissists He's successful with women, therefore, must be doing what they want, therefore, he is behaving in the way they expect. ie, embodying the desires of women. A narcissist is unable to imagine the perspective of another. It's much closer to empathy than narcissism. that is not the definition of a narcissist. a narcissist uses their understanding of others to get what they want for their own ends and not social or relationship ends. it is not empathy because it is a case of the means justifies the ends. to be classified as a narcissist you also need to show other behaviours/mindsets.

(And before you say "that's not what I Parsifal want, as a woman", well, that's a touch narcissistic of you to not be able to imagine the perspectives of other women )He's no different to women "living their best life" by exploiting "sugar daddies" or whatever. It's the reverse situation. It just takes way more effort and skill for men to have that type of lifestyle.

you clearly need a lesson in empathy. it is not narcisstic to know what i want and to not want certain things or to have boundaries - acquired somewhat late in life. i can understand and step very clearly into the shoes of those women who have chosen a life with him or other sugar daddies - it is simply not a life i want, or chose, for me the price was too high.

i guess I should be grateful you didn't suggest my values and beliefs are similar to Tates however.

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> those who wish they could have more than they have
which is nothing but loneliness and social isolation, it's reasonable to want more than that, don't you think?

>and could dominate women.
It's really not about dominating women, it's just about being able to get one. Like just one.

There aren't many male role models that manage to have obvious success with modern women -success would be, get a wife, have a family, she doesn't leave you when she gets "bored", and take all the stuff you worked for. Jeff, Elon, Bill.. these guys can't keep a wife. And they're the most successful men, so they have options. What then can a regular guy expect?

Tate just plays in this power vacuum. Note that none of his message is about maintaining relationships, or identifying women that won't leave you etc etc. That is still considered inevitable in Tate world.

So he just picks another success with women metric - "commitment free sex".
He is just telling men that if they "demonstrate competence" they can at least "have fun" with women in their "fun phase".

Just trying to motivate them back into the workplace. Well, really, to give him $50 selling them an impossible dream.

>he described it fairly and squarely in terms of envy - wanting it - wanting the car and the wealth and the status
Those things are all inextricably linked to success with women.

>they have tolerated harems and the less pleasant side effects.
I think it's pretty obvious if you look at human behaviour in general that women are not particularly unhappy with harems.
Sharing a winner is better than having a loser all to yourself.

>you clearly need a lesson in empathy.
Now now, I tried to make it clear that I was empathising with your position. And you attacked me for it! For shame! Who needs the lesson in empathy now ?

>it is not narcisstic to know what i want...for me the price was too high.
Yes, and yet you call (the hypothetical person) Tate a narcissist for knowing what he wants? Obviously it takes a lot of work to get to the (alleged) point Tate is at in life - the price he was willing to pay for the life he wanted.

>i guess I should be grateful you didn't suggest my values and beliefs are similar to Tates however.
What does this mean "you guess you should be grateful"?