Russia Ukraine war, page-98168

The fact they r at such a pathetic state currently vs Russians already explains everything u need to know.

Lets for a second assume they r older, lets even give them 1,000 years older than Rus lol. And the end result for a 1000 years head start is that Russia is 3 times your population, or about 8 times now. Significantly larger, richer and stronger. Tells u how crap these kievans are.

Great China on the other hand, with the complete destruction of their political system and total collapse of monarchy, gone thru world wars and the worst of their periods are still able to catch up and surpass western countries that are 200 years ahead in just 50 years.

What did these kievans do? nothing

Indepedence for 30 years and r already facing extinction. A state with what 5:1 male female ratio? all disposable 20s 30s and early 40s male population expended in the field. This is a province that will never in the next 1000 years ever stand up ever again. Id super surprised if they even exists in 2123. More than likely incorporated and absorbed by the poles who r trying so hard to revive the imperialistic polish-lithuania empire again