cerhob....... Your right on every count but my point is that in politics it is good luck and good management that get deals over the line. Howard had good luck and won off the back of Tampa. Gillard has equally had good luck and has got over the line.
If you ask me, I'm appalled at the neutralising of the refugee debate ( we need more people) but this was a point about Abbott being a poor leader, a hopeless liar and sore loser who no one actually likes in his own party room let alone the Nations. Wrong guy, period. In the end, in life and politics Karma always comes round..............
