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Originally posted by moorookamick: ↑

Look mate, you are doing the
"*** argument" again
wrongfully characterising my posts
as pro Russian when in essence they are
anti-War because IMO, war is a failure of civilisation
and all that we hold near & dear.

For example somewhere between 55 million and 75 million
lives were lost in WW2 . Did the outcome justify that
or would it have been wiser/more civilised to have
found an alternative means of dealing with Nazi Germany
and its Axis? IMO yes.

IMO, the continuation of this Ukrainian war (proxy The West vs Russian Federation)
is simply sleepwalking us into WW3 and the "death cultist" advocates on these
threads are inadvertently wishing for that, IMO.

Im keenly aware that the principle of Sovereign rights features in our difference of
opinion on this war:
(a) That you maintain that the Ukraine has Sovereign Right to join NATO
and by implication allow NATO (defacto the USA) to base WMDs aimed at
Russian population centres on its soil and to curtail Russian Naval access
to the Black Sea .

(b) Me: That Sovereign Rights are limited if their exercise pose a perceived risk
to a neighbour's National Security; particuluarly if that neighbour is a Great Power.

Let me give you an historical example: The Cuban Missile Crisis.

Now let me give you a hypothetical derivative of that (you like logic according to you):

That PNG as a member of China's BRI joins China's Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
and agrees to China basing WMD in southern PNG aimed at Aus.

Which of (a) or (b) above would apply in your opinion (and dont prevaricate ....just answer the question please?)

And so it is with this Ukrainian War, IMO. Russia as a Great Power only 2nd to the USA in Nuke ability,
sees a NATO WMD equipped Ukraine as a Sovereign threat just as it has seen that of Georgia joining NATO#.
To canvass the silly argument that this war is all about Putin's land grab (stealing land) may make sense to
a primitive farmer in the 3rd world but is absurd when you consider that Russia is the biggest country in
the world by landmass (most unexplored/undeveloped) with a relatively small population.

if your pursuit of personal happiness leads you that that fantasy, then who am I to prevent that...eh mate?

PS: And finally, why is NATO offering membership to Georgia now?

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you don't think Chamberlain tried alternate methods with nazi Germany ?
READ YOUR HISTORY !

UNFAIRLY CHARACHTERISING YOUR POSTS ??????

You constantly post pro- russ ....defnd the invasion .....defend the annexation ....post anti US, anti west ,pro BRICS ....NEVER ONCE - decried the russ invasion of Ukraine or called for russia to get out of a country they have no right to be in
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I have you ecxactly right with your russ support and excuses for why the invasion was necessary ....you are simply a pro russ troll trying to put a nice face on it ....but failing ....we all know who you are ......you've posted too many pro russ lies for too long for it to be otherwise so stop the pretense !
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