ufos...again!, page-2525

The debate is about where Jesus was when God created.
1:16 "For in him all things were created":
Clearly, Jesus was around according to scripture when God created.
You don't understand how God created all things in him so you want to rewrite scripture to fit with your lack of understanding.
If you understood the Trinity you would would understand this.
If he was the first born of creation, then his creation precedes the rest of creation.
The verse does not say that Jesus was the first plan by God of creation but that he was the first born of creation.
It often doesn't take much to take your silly posts apart.

Now try putting your fanciful ideas about God's plans aside that demonise scripture and read what scripture actually says.