How about tapes from the interviews ?
Asked if he was still close with Geraldo Rivera.......
Setoodeh: “And are you guys still close, or you no longer … ?”
Trump: “No, I don’t think so. He is, uh, after I lost the election.”
"Trump Makes Most Revealing Slip Yet About the Big Lie in New Audio"
Trump Makes Most Revealing Slip Yet About the Big Lie in New Audio | The New Republic
