Matt 5:20 or enter you won't., page-105

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    First of all my dear wotsup, you need to know and see what you are doing as for someone who repeatedly puts conditions on biblical verses as you do to make them align with a preconceived notion might be referred to as "confirmation biased" in their approach. Confirmation bias is a cognitive bias where individuals favour information that confirms their existing beliefs or hypotheses, regardless of whether the information is true or relevant.
    One might describe such a person as "interpretively selective" or someone who engages in "eisegesis," which is the process of interpreting a text by reading one's own ideas or biases into it, rather than deriving meaning from the text itself
    This is a classical example of how you operate which no one will ever take any notice of as it’s very childish and a good example that one is clueless put putting take to make verses says what one wants them to say

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    As requested many times, which you're
    avoiding like the plague, show where Jesus was worshiped as a baby etc, that he was worshiped as God or a God.


    You will also not find anything else to what Jesus did later on, as it hasn’t been revealed as yet

    You should be well aware of, while the New Testament contains accounts of reverence and honors directed toward Jesus as an infant, like the visits from the Magi and the shepherds, it doesn't explicitly state that he was worshiped as God in the same way that later Christians worshiped him. Those early instances reflect acknowledgment of his significance as the expected Messiah rather than a formal recognition of him as divine or a part of the Godhead.

    Jesus as God during his infancy, such explicit mentions are not present in the text.

    The understanding of Jesus as God developed in the early church after his ministry.

    If you're looking for specific Biblical references that describe divine worship of Jesus as God during his infancy, such explicit mentions are not present in the text.

    By engaging with early Christian writings, such as Paul’s letters and the Gospels, we can see how early followers came to see Jesus in a divine light over time.


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    Jesus in John 17:3 CLEARLY does NOT reference himself as God or a God or part of a 3 person God, it's as simple as that.
    He also makes no reference of needing to know your created Holy Spirit person, for eternal life in 17:3, as there isn't one, the Holy Spirit is the God and Father.
    And after the cross, exalted and glorified, he is shown to now be a Begotten God = confirming his words in 17:3, beyond doubt.




    Again, you’re taking snippets of scripture, putting conditions on what the bible is saying to make it line up with your pre-conceived mindset


    John 17:3 illustrates the deep and complex relationship between the Father and Jesus. It affirms their distinct persons while also highlighting their unity in mission and purpose, in the situation he is in at that very moment which weighed so much on he as luke tells us He sweated blood, wasn’t there defining the Trinity, but was there to save us from the sins of the world brought on by false gods, compared with the one true God the Father.

    The essence of eternal life is found in the relational knowledge of both, emphasizing that true eternal life is characterized by a profound connection with both the Father and Jesus. This understanding fits within the broader Christian doctrine of the Trinity, which holds that while the Father and the Son are distinct, they are ultimately united in the divine essence and purpose

    John 17 is part of what is often referred to as the "High Priestly Prayer," where Jesus is praying to the Father shortly before His crucifixion. The focus of this prayer is on His relationship with the Father and His mission. While the Holy Spirit is central to the life of believers and their experience of relationship with God, the primary emphasis at this moment is on the Son’s role in accomplishing the Father will for the salvation of humanity, by the cross for eternal life and undoing the sins of Adam

    The Holy Spirit's role is significant in the broader context of salvation and eternal life, but it is often depicted in relation to what comes after Jesus’ ascension, Eternal life with the Holy Spirit that was only accomplished after Jesus sent the Holy Spirit not while Jesus was praying at John 17:3 or before
    Same goes with Jesus, it’s only with His death and resurrection the accomplishment of his mission that we gave eternal life

    In other parts of the Gospel, particularly in John 14-16, Jesus promises the coming of the Holy Spirit (the Helper or Advocate) who will guide, comfort, and empower believers after He departs. The Holy Spirit plays an essential role in the believer’s experience of knowing God, but this particular verse emphasizes the foundational relationship between the Father and the Son.

    Jesus does not explicitly mention the Holy Spirit in John 17:3, the broader context of the New Testament teaches that the Holy Spirit is integral to the believer’s experience of eternal life. The focus of John 17:3 is on the relationship between Jesus and the Father, which is crucial to the understanding of eternal life, with the Holy Spirit's role being more explicitly outlined in other passages.

 
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