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Originally posted by pintohoo: ↑

darling -- if you hadn't realised it - Starmer is pretty conservative

he's not quite as far from Marxist as I am from religious, but, he's moving that way

Keir Starmer's political stance has been a subject of considerable debate, particularly regarding whether he leans towards Marxism or socialism.
### Self-Identification and Party Context
Starmer has publicly identified himself as a socialist, stating, "I would describe myself as a socialist. I describe myself as a progressive" during a speech in May 2024[1][5]. This aligns with the Labour Party's constitution, which defines it as a democratic socialist party. However, the term "socialism" can encompass a broad range of interpretations, from advocating for collective ownership to promoting social justice within a capitalist framework. Starmer's shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves, has characterized their approach as social democracy, which seeks to achieve socialist goals within the bounds of capitalism rather than seeking to abolish it entirely[1][2].
### Historical Engagement with Socialist Politics
Starmer's background includes involvement in socialist politics during his youth. However, his recent actions and policies suggest a more centrist or pragmatic approach. Critics argue that he has distanced himself from leftist elements within the Labour Party, particularly following the party's internal struggles during Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. This distancing has included purging members associated with the party's left wing, leading some to view him as a figure more aligned with the establishment than with radical socialist ideals[2][3][5].
### Policy Positions and Actions
Starmer's leadership has been marked by a commitment to economic stability and cautious political maneuvering. He has proposed initiatives like creating a publicly owned energy company and bringing passenger train services back under public ownership, which could be interpreted as steps towards greater collective ownership in certain sectors[1][5]. However, these actions are often seen as limited and cautious, leading to skepticism about whether he genuinely supports a transformative socialist agenda or is merely adopting popular policies to appeal to a broader electorate[2][4].
### Conclusion
In summary, while Keir Starmer has declared himself a socialist, his actions and the context of his leadership suggest a more complex and possibly contradictory stance. He appears to advocate for some socialist principles but operates primarily within a framework of social democracy, emphasizing stability and pragmatism over radical change. Critics argue that his trajectory has moved him away from the leftist ideals he once espoused, making it difficult to categorize him definitively as a Marxist or a true socialist leader.
Citations:
[1] https://theconversation.com/is-keir-starmer-a-socialist-232567
[2] https://inthesetimes.com/article/britain-keir-starmer-corbyn-election-serious
[3] https://libcom.org/article/keir-starmer-marxist-cop-expensive-suit-mark-kosman
[4] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...-labour-party-prime-minister-sunak-rcna157473
[5] https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-and-what-will-happen-if-labour-wins-election
[6] https://newint.org/nationalism/2024/hall-infamy-keir-starmer
[7] https://consent.yahoo.com/v2/collectConsent
[8] https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1edyaqs/starmer_and_marxism/

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