GG, I have to say that I basically side with "nk" on the issue of manipulation.
The large bullion banks are not ignorant. They are fully aware I can assure you, that gold and silver entered long term bull markets years ago and they know that they can't trade against the weight of time.
"nk", I will opt to pass on the Gann issue as it is too involved and somewhat controversial other than to say that, it is time that determines when markets reverse, NOT price.
Cheers
PS. GG Who owns massive positions in PM stocks ;), somethng many investors constantly overlook
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