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Originally posted by wotsup: ↑

This is not a short post, and if you are serious, you will directly address it, with the Bible, as we are dealing with, nearly 2,000 yrs of error.

""The Father IS the One Holy Spirit""
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is theHoly Ghost, whom the Father will sendin my name
"Do you agree that John 14:26 indicates the Father is not the HS ?"

As you would do = show the verse that this says, it is not the Father = simple request.
Looks like a Gottcha here

I take it you know, the Holy Spirit John 14:26 - But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

Does the Bible teach, 2 will be teaching you, and the God here is the one the son defined as the only true God = father, when he was here.
John 16:14 - He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine (words), and shall shewit unto you.
Now who was it the Son asked to Glorify Him.........would it have been the Father by any chance John 17:5, hmm, I wonder.

So lets let the Bible run this matter over with Two sweeps, shall we.
John 14:17 - the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.2 Cor 6:16 - And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk amongthem. I will be their God, And they shall be My peopleGod, Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth = one in the same, in all the Temple verses, Paul interchanges God and the Holy Spirit = He is referring to one in the same and not 2 separate Spirits.So John 14:17 is 100% = 2 Cor 6:16 = the End of who and what the Holy Spirit is......................
"Do you agree that the following shows that Christ was a type of'intelligent consciousness' before becoming the flesh Jesus.
Jn 6:38 ..For I came down from heaven
Jn 6:62 .. see the Son of man ascend upwhere he was before"

'intelligent consciousness' = Are these two your latest two buzz words, and become your response to all post replies???
I suppose it gives us a break from Paul, Paul, Paul said, a bit like Gens creation, and God said

Speaking of the "said's" = You all claim the Son is the word and creator, or involved in the creation, therefore you would have to show in Gen = And Jesus "said" = can you show the verses in the OT, where He said anything?

Speaking of what He said and didn't, you say He pre-exist, can you show me His words pre the cross = I go BACK to the Father, I mean seriously, He would have said such, if that was the case.
Now pay attention to the word Back.Your last quote first, as that answers the first.
Jn 6:62 .. see the Son of man ascend upwhere he was before"

Where does the Bible show he was before = SIMPLES.Rev 13:8 - All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain away from the foundation of the world.Clearly, this was within the Fathers plan and purpose, the likes of Hid in Him - ex Eph 3:9 and like another Mystery Rev 10:7.

Most agree the following among several things, refers to the Son.
Gen 3:15 - And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”So, this snippet clearly shows that where He was before was, in the mind and plans, plan and purpose of the God and Father and as the truth of John 17:5 shows, it was with the Father, known as glory held by Him for the Son, before the world existed 'with' the Father.
(There is no "I" as in Glory "I" Had, in that verse, as the Inter and their definitions don't support it, neither the corrupted word order of many Bibles). "Jn 6:38 ..For I came down from heaven"

Yea, the plan and purpose within the Father, was expressed forth to the Angel, who in turn expressed it forth to Mary.
And the prophesy for this is Isa Ch 55 = John Ch 17.
Isa 55:8 = Fathers thoughts which become Word = John 17:8 - For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have receivedthem, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.Isa 55:9-11 - Forasthe heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
“For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,
11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosperfor which I sent it.John 17:11 - Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as WeWe are all deemed Living Words, but the Son at the Baptism, became a begotten Word of the Father = not of the world, my ways higher than yours, as the heavens are higher etc.

John 16:27,28 - for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God.
I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Furthermore, I leave the world and go to the Father.”John 8:42 - Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.Note the 42 ref there = Matt Ch 1, 3 x 14 generations = 42 = basically representing the true pregnancy's term of 42 weeks, meaning for all those generations, the plan and purpose for the Son to be, was in the Womb = 8, figuratively speaking.
And sure enough, 42hrs represents 6 O'clock, a key the Son represents = MAN as that is exactly what He is.

All the "forth" contexts above, have zero to do with the "sents" as in sent into the world = after His Baptism, are all the sent contexts.

Rom 8:11 - But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,
Luke 8:11 - Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.John 6:32 -Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.His expressed words to the Angel to Mary.
Matt 4:4 - But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”Are you seeing the Proto, the real literal Bread as with many past events, are protos for the Spiritual to come.
Lo-Behold, the Son proceeded out of the Mouth of the Father, figuratively, spiritual context.Gal 4:4 - But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,Born of a woman, hence like us and as He says, He had to be born again = Baptism where He then became the Begotten Son, 'a' Begotten Word of the Fathers.Heb 4:12 - For the word of God is alive and active (Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi, 'We' are one Word, but 'We' are many). Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

(Double-edge sword = figuratively, the Clock Hands, Rod of Iron John 10:28,29 =The Word and The Word of God = the two names Rev 14:1)
Rev 19:12,13 - His eyeslike a flame of fire, and on His headwere many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
Hewas clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.It is pretty clear, 12 says 13 is not known = Matt 7:22,23 - The Son - I never knew you, you did zero in my name, as you had no idea what it was, due to your corruptions of John 1:1 making it impossible.Rev 3:12 and Rev 2:17 makes it clear, it has been hidden = John 1:1.

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""This is not a short post, and if you are serious, you will directly address it, with the Bible, as we are dealing with, nearly 2,000 yrs of error.""
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Long post was not requested.
The answers are obviously YES & YES to the following.

""The Father IS the One Holy Spirit""
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name
Do you agree that John 14:26 indicates the Father is not the HS ?
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Do you agree that the following shows that Christ was a type of 'intelligent consciousness' before becoming the flesh Jesus.
Jn 6:38 ..For I came down from heaven
Jn 6:62 .. see the Son of man ascend up where he was before
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