The Misunderstanding

Originally posted by ppm56: ↑

So you probably need to save yourself some time with the cut and pastes and attacking protestantism ,and thinking its scoring points against me,when i dont even believe in protestantism,sorry to dissapoint you,but it goes to show you dont take the time to understand opposing points of view.

It’s irrelevant whether you believe in Protestantism or not, the very fact your base roots are coming from Protestantism, no matter of how you dress it up or try to dress yourself up won’t change the foundation and your traditions of where you’re coming from

You need to educate yourself as to why you practice the way you practice, and also to where your core doctrine of believes that you post are coming from
I’ll give you a starter pack here, Starting with Marting Luther as in Brittanica’s Encyclopedia, Luther was the instigator of “Sola Scripture” giving rise to some denominations and understandings, from which the 30000 sprang up from, to the present day of how your position that you described came to be that you hold too of where you get your traditions from

There is no way around it, you’ve been shaped by Protestant traditions, no matter of how you dress it

PS, it’s no bother in coping and pasting to you, if that’s what you think I do

And no it’s not opposing points that you are posting, it’s that you been conditioned to behave like this and you don’t know it, a simple check of history on the points I gave you below of how you do things show’s I’m on the money of how correct on your traditional way of doing things being protestant, even if you deny it as you did above, sorry you’re only kidding yourself no one else

Martin Luther (born November 10, 1483, Eisleben, Saxony [now in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany]—died February 18, 1546, Eisleben) was a German theologian and religious reformer who was the catalyst of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation. Through his words and actions, Luther precipitated a movement that reformulated certain basic tenets of Christian belief and resulted in the division of Western Christendom between Roman Catholicism and the new Protestant traditions, mainly Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anglicanism, the Anabaptists, and the anti-Trinitarians. He is one of the most influential figures in the history of Christianity.

Protestant Christianity since the 16th century. They include his insistence on the Bible, the Word of God, as the only source of religious authority, a dogma known as sola Scriptura;

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Luther/Later-years

THIS IS WHERE YOUR FOUNDATIONS ARE COMING FROM no way around it

The "Bible alone" or “Sola Scriptura” mentality, often associated with the phrase "sola scriptura," and the concept of being a Christian without affiliation to a specific denomination, can be traced through several historical, theological, and cultural developments. I’ll give you some simple facts of the roots and influences that contributed to this believe system

The idea of "sola scriptura," or Scripture alone as the ultimate authority in matters of faith and practice, is a foundational principle of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. It emphasized the authority of the Bible over that of church traditions and ecclesiastical hierarchy. Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin argued for returning directly to the Scriptures as the basis of faith, which set the stage for later movements emphasizing independent interpretations of the Bible.

Then we have Some groups that emerged during the Reformation, such as the Anabaptists, took the principle of biblical authority further by rejecting not only the Catholic Church but also the established Protestant denominations. They emphasized a personal relationship with Scripture and the need for believers to interpret the Bible individually, leading to a “non-denominational” approach to faith.

In the 18th and 19th Century Revivalism, The Second Great Awakening in the United States fostered a wave of revivalist movements that emphasized personal conversion, emotional experiences of faith, and a direct relationship with the Bible. Many individuals began to reject formal denominational identities in favor of a more personal, direct engagement with Scripture and an emphasis on personal faith experience.

Then to top it off the Restoration Movement followed In the early 19th century, movements such as the Stone-Campbell Movement (which led to the formation of the Churches of Christ and the Christian Church) sought to restore the early Christian church as described in the New Testament. They emphasized unity among believers and often rejected denominational labels in favor of a simple Christianity based on the Bible alone.

Giving rise to Non-denominational Churches, As American society became more diverse and secular in the late 20th century, many Christians began to identify with non-denominational churches. These congregations often emphasize a personal relationship with Christ, biblical teaching, and a rejection of the hierarchical structures associated with traditional denominations. This phenomenon allowed individuals to connect with their faith without being constrained by denominational doctrines or practices.

Furthering in Individualism and Modernism, The rise of individualism in Western culture, particularly in the 20th century, has also played a role. Many people today value personal freedom and self-expression, which can manifest in a desire to engage with Scripture independently

Evangelicalism especially American, The modern Evangelical movement often promotes the idea of being "Bible-believing" without strict adherence to denominational identities. Evangelicals emphasize sharing the Gospel and personal belief in Scripture over denominational affiliation, contributing to a culture that encourages being "Bible alone Christians."

The bottom line is that the mentality of being a "Bible alone Christian" who does not belong to a particular denomination rose from a combination of Reformation ideals, traditions, revivalist movements, restorationist impulses, individualism, and the evolution of contemporary Evangelicalism. This approach emphasizes personal interpretation and relationship with Scripture, fostering a viewpoint that can exist outside established denominational structures

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The bible says this power magnifies himself above God
Remember Ppm,none of this is personal
Quoting what the bible says about the religous power that would exalt itself above God .

Not my words,nothing at all to do with me.

The below is quotations from this institution which has a man as its head.

The reader can decide for themselves if these claims match up or not.

Again ,talking about an institution,not individuals.

“The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God.”
(Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary)

“All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.”
(On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17)

“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.”
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”.”…the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power.”
Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, Volume V, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled “Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility”,

(#1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.)

“The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth…by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.”
(Quoted in the New York Catechism)

These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.” Father A. Pereira says: “It is quite certain that Popes have never approved or rejected this title ‘Lord God the Pope,’ for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome in 1580 by Gregory XIII.”

The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, “orbi,” (which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church) make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith. No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the [Roman Catholic] Canonists put it—“The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.”
Ignaz von Dollinger,

“A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich” 1871; as quoted in MacDougall,

“The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: ‘I am the door of the sheep.’ Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth.”
(Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958)

“This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God’s commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate.”
(Pope Leo XIII, Allocution for the 25th anniversary of his election, February 20, 1903; Papal Teachings: The Church, Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, page 653)

“Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.”
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318)

“We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world.”
(A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and **riel Cossart, “The Most Holy Councils,” col. 1167)

“But as for you and your companions, you certainly sin, if, having heard the decrees of the Apostolic See, and of the universal Church, and the same is confirmed by Holy Writ, you refuse to follow them; for, though your fathers were holy, do you think that their small number, in a corner of the remotest island, is to be preferred before the universal Church of Christ throughout the world? And if that Columba of yours (and, I may say, ours also, if he was Christ’s servant), was a holy man and powerful in miracles, yet could he be preferred before the most blessed prince of the Apostles to whom Our Lord said ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and to thee I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven’?” When Wilfrid had spoken thus, the king said, “Is it true Colman, that these words were spoken to Peter by Our Lord?” He answered, “It is true, O king!” Then says he, “Can you show any such power given to your Columba?” Colman answered, “None.” Then added the king, “Do you both agree that these words were principally directed to Peter, and that the keys of heaven were given to him by Our Lord?” They both answered. “We do.” Then the king concluded, “And I also say unto you, that he is the door-keeper, whom I will not contradict, but will, as far as I know and am able, in all things obey his decrees, lest, when I come to the gates of the kingdom of heaven, there should be none to open them, he being my adversary who is proved to have the keys.”
(St. Bede, Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation, quoted in Readings from Church History, Volume I, edited by Fr. Colman Barry, O.S.B., The Newman Press, Westminster, MD, 1966, p. 273.