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Originally posted by Parsifal: ↑

cut the lecturing at me please. I remain likeable to those who don’t see the need to tell me how to think or what I should be doing and for the rest - I’m not sure I care that much any more these days.

as to calling me a mouthpiece for Israel. I could equally call you a mouthpiece for Hamas or any of the Palestinians who have decided that they want to expunge Israel.

I find it fascinating that people accepted the partition of India with millions uprooted but there you are

I guess you choose to ignore the way the British shot at Jewish refugees both in preventing them from leaving a Europe that would have seen them obliterated and then on attempting to make their way to land they understood was to be granted them

i guess they are one group of refugees from endless programs who hoped they might find refuge that you have no time for

and if you want to debate the demographics of the area, or it’s ownership during the Ottoman Empire or the mandate period or after the establishment of Israel I am more then happy to do so because my knowledge is based on facts and documents

likewise I am happy to discuss whether Israel would have integrated Arabs (note Israelis were also Palestinians ). They did. Those that didn’t want to kill Jews stayed and became Israeli citizens

I really couldn’t care about whether you nearly married a half Jew or have a Jewish friend or two. It doesn’t mean anything. What I care about is that you regularly reel out these sorts of posts and ask me why I concern myself with Israel

I concern myself because I think there are far too many people who would see my friends and family die at the hands of Arabs who cannot move on from 1948 and whose existence depends on being permanently refugees and unwilling to contemplate peace with Israel And yes I still have cousins who live in Israel. I know exactly what is happening to them and I happen to care about them enough to be in regular contact to support them

i concern myself because I see narratives that don’t match facts and I despise that and I concern myself because far too many commentators have absolute no idea of history and dress up antisemitism as being anti Zionist or anti Israel.

the ones who harp on about the Holocaust are actually the Israel/Zionist/jew haters. But just as we commemorate Anzac Day and do so over 100 years later the Jews honour their dead as well. So maybe you need to have a good look at the framing

do I sound confrontational? Most likely. Do I feel the need to apologise to you? No.

I hope for your sake this doesn’t land in your front yard

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@Parsifal You are not the apologising kind, so I do not expect an apology from you - nor do I expect this from anyone on here. People are here to pelt one another with controversy - I had no intention of doing that - I simply wrote down what I and most of my friends have felt for a long time - no-one ever, even in my circle of friends, has anything but pity and sorrow for what happened to European Jewry, but see what is going on now, as some kind of psychological need to act out the same inhumanity on the unfortunate Gazans. I never said this, this was said to me, independently by at least 4 people in my circle of friends - everyone always falls silent after that. One cannot comment on that, just wonder 'how long can this go on?'

I have no love for anyone who uses violence to solve problems, but I have eyes to see what is going on via the various news channels I watch - some overseas ones too - and for a long long time Israel has not been lily-white, but I havent' commented.

Hamas and the young generation of Palestinians - have grown up with perpetual violence practiced on them by the controlling authorities (soldiers, police wire fences) of Israel. They are now genetically programmed to hate Israel by the treatment meted out to them, daily, by Israel's organs of control.

I simply put down my thoughts I have felt over the last number of years or so, every time I turn to this thread, and - if there are some on here - I did not want to upset my Jewish friends, so I have resisted to get too deeply involved in this - we have no chance of solving this via chit-chat, anyway.

I quoted my childhood friend, because he is just as frustrated with Israel and the fact that in Austria no-one criticising Israel 'gets away with it' - and he is part-Jewish, but wasn't brought up religious. He lost relatives in the Holocaust, including a grandmother but has no memory of any of them. His mother managed to survive the war by pretending to be 'Palestinian' but was from an old and distinguished Jewish family in the Tirol - her father and grandfather were both surgeons, one in the old Imperial Army.

I can see what is going on in Europe too, with no criticism of Israel allowed, in Germany this attitude actually supports a now resurgent right-wing, of which the present chancellor is a shining example.

I am simply tired of the 'prima donna' stance of some citizens of Israel always claiming exceptionalism and forever falling back on the Holocaust to justify their own inhumanity - and having found their best expression in a man who is up on criminal charges, but has managed to hold onto power, simply by beating the war drums, and worse.

The division of India was cruel and cost many people their lives, but apart from the odd border skirmish - and recently quite a bit more, it is all resolved (and without 'Donny's intervention) - they seem to have settled into some kind of uneasy 'neighbourliness'.

If we go back far enough into history, we can always find someone to blame, but certain sections of Israeli Jewry, with some posters on here, absolutely thrive on the blame game and use it to justify their own inhumanity to the former citizens of Gaza, who we see being shuffled about, bombed, starved - nightly - on our TV screens.

Enough
Taurisk