Dan 8:14 2300 days &amp; nights = years ?

Originally posted by wafflehead ↑

I lurk because I have no desire to upset or offend anybody or their beliefs but I seem to without intension.

In this case it was the simple statement you made, case closed, Kam, that lured me from my place of lurking. I envy your certainty because I have no capacity to be certain of much at all, especially the meaning of scripture.

Anyway, my reading of John and the Advocate more or less lines up with your thinking except Jesus says He will send another Advocate. If referring to the Holy Spirit the word, another would not have been used because there is only one Holy Spirit. Another, is suggestive of the return of a Jesus like being who will represent God in the spirit of Jesus. This makes sense at least to me because so many of the prophecies regarding what the Messiah will achieve have not come to pass even in the slightest, so somebody has to return.

Did Abraham receive the Holy Spirit so as to represent God on earth - as did Noah, Moses, Jesus, I think you would answer yes. Was Isaiah, David, the Disciples, the church assisted by the Holy spirit and guided by the Holy Spirit, once again I'm confident that you would answer yes.

When Jesus returns, assuming you believe he will return, will He again represent God on earth via the Holy Spirit? There's a good chance you answered yes.

Will the returning Jesus say exactly the same things He did the first time, which of cause wont help us much in this age, or will He address humanity with a new set of challenges and a new set of remedies related directly to this age, an age so vastly different to Jesus' time.

If Jesus returns and gives us a renewed spiritual education which to me seems essential, addressing specifically this very new and very different age, will He produce a new Bible, or add to the Bible, Bible just meaning books, so will Jesus add to the BOOKS, will He still call Himself Jesus or will He take a new honorific title relative to this age and prophecy?

Will He start a new religion, remembering that Jesus said you can't put old wine in a new wineskin, or sew new cloth to old cloth, meaning new teachings can't be infused back into old teachings.

You say no other is needed for the salvation of souls, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, okay, but surely God and Jesus would further assist humanity and help us adapt to these vastly changed times of science, globalisation, the clash of religions, isms, races, cultures, sexes, this is like no other time in human history. Would it not require a new response for this age, not one that has drifted through the filter of 2000 years plus of religious debate not unlike what takes place here on HC?

I just can't see how the case can be closed.

Anyway, thank you for responding, all the best.

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Hope you don't mind me replying to this. Hope life finds you well Waffle.

I can sense you’re sincere in your questioning, but let me share clearly why for me — and for any believer who truly stands on Scripture — the case is closed.

Yeshua did say He would send another Advocate (John 14:16), but He also defined exactly who that is: “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.” (John 14:26).

The word “another” here does not mean “another human prophet.” In Greek, the word used is allos, meaning another of the same kind — the Spirit of YHWH Himself, not another person like Yeshua.

Yeshua made it clear He completed His mission: “It is finished.” (John 19:30). Salvation was accomplished once and for all — there is no need for another to come and “update” or “improve” the Word. Hebrews 1:1–2 also confirms this:
“God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son.”

There is no new wine beyond Yeshua. He is the final Word (Revelation 22:18–19 warns against adding to it).
Yes, this age is different — but the human heart has not changed. Our sin, our need for salvation, and the solution — Yeshua — remain the same. He is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). No new religion, no new prophet, and no new “book” is needed.
He will return, but not to start a new religion — rather, to judge the nations and establish His kingdom. He won’t come back with a “new message” to fit modern ideas. He will come back as King and Judge (Revelation 19).

This is why I say the case is closed. Because Yeshua Himself closed it.

I truly hope you keep seeking, but remember: God does not evolve with human culture; it is humans who must conform to Him.

Shalom.