this is a reply to an earlier post of Grahod's in which he presented a list of Youtube videos which he said provided "eyewitness evidence" of a 757 impacting the Pentagon. This is a response to his first list - maybe he thought I wouldn't check them out....
grahod's 1st ref: a video of journalist Mike Walters in which he claims to have seen the impact....
my ref: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln97NJV44xs&feature=related www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qouaq9GFtOk&NR=1 the above two videos refute Walters' account - they are from people on the ground who say that if Walters was where he said he was, that he couldn't possibly have seen the impact.
grahod's 2nd ref: the Joel Sucherman "eyewitness" video. Just a few things. First he's the Assistant Managing Editor for USA Today - if you trust media personnel.... But there's more. He reports a sonic boom. He reports a second plane. He reports seeing only a fuselage and tail of the commuter, er, commercial aircraft - no wings! at least that's consistent with plane wings hitting lamposts - but WHERE'S THE WING WRECKAGE? Then he goes on to describe what the plane WASN'T - that's a funny way of describing your experience..... you prepared to believe this tripe?
my refs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y36S_W92XI&feature=related video of another reporter saying "... from my close up inspection there's no evidence of any plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr-kmOF9xAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjKDNxNtk2o&feature=related above two videos from more eyewitnesses saying it was clearly a "commuter" plane, in one case a Gulf Stream. confused already?
grahod's 3rd ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImJ0NxZX2wI&NR=1 this guy Don Fortunato - not even a witness - Grahod should do better than that. A worthless video.
grahod's 4th ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBmgsjC6Nc video of "eyewitness" Tim Timmerman. He says the aircraft didn't appear to crash into the building most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground. He saw the nose disintegrate and the wings fly forward! ..... and all this from his upper apartment overlooking panoramic view.
grahod's 5th ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMBS9xoctQ&feature=related this "eyewitness" saw a plane ????? next to the building..... that's it. No detail whatever. Another worthless video.
grahod's 6th ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HBjxYrhI4E&feature=related this "eyewitness" says he saw a plane come in real low and hit the back end of the Pentagon. The "back end"? that's a funny way to describe a pentagon, but it suggests he was on the opposite side of the building to where any supposed impact took place. He did not see any plane impact. Another worthless video.
grahod's 7th ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-edQnJL9Koc&feature=related this guy can't even get his own story right - listen carefully. "I saw it impact when it hit the grou...hit the building". Yeah, I believe him. Another worthless video.
grahod's 8th ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3wzFxdVso&feature=related video devoid of any meaningful comment. No detail. Worthless.
grahod's 9th ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXq6H2kCtEU&feature=related same comments as above. Worthless.
grahod's 10th ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H8CinIWltY&feature=related Mark Pettit video. "Plane crossed by a bridge in front of me - I knew it was going to hit - next thing you know there was a huge explosion" But nowhere does he say he saw the impact. Make up your own mind.....
I think I'll quit demolishing Grahod's "evidence" here. It's clear that there are a variety of accounts that "witnesses" give of what they thought they saw. Talk to an experienced trial lawyer - eyewitness testimony is shockingly unreliable. "Yeah, I saw a big black guy shoot him".... err, no you didn't - there was a big black guy there alright but he wasn't the shooter..... you put two and two together during a shocking incident you witnessed lasting only a few seconds and you got FIVE!.....
but if you want some more coherent video stuff than that offered by Grahod, here are a few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xtEJ4zrIPM&feature=related video of Bob Pugh one of the first camermen on the scene with only one fire truck there - clearly states there was no plane wreckage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93rTlfo8dZ4&feature=related video of policeman at the scene "I didn't see any pieces of plane. I couldn't believe a plane had hit the building"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3LJXoXpAHE&feature=related video of 911 Commissioner. This guy slips up and says a missile pried open the Pentagon, then corrects himself. How odd is that? a 911 Commissioner indeed.....
Actually I found more convincing clips than Grahod supplied supporting his case. I also found many eyewitness videos supporting my case. So the situation re. "eyewitnesses" is clear to me. They are almost all worthless. People do not make for very good video recorders. It is futile to chase the truth via what people recall because they are just no good at it. This is why I said in my original post that there are no eyewitnesses to the impact. I doubt that anyone seeing such a thing (assuming it ever happened) could faithfully recall it.....
as grahod concluded in his post CASE CLOSED YOUR HONOUR.
why has the Justice Department never released any of the videos it holds showing exactly what hit the Pentagon? what are they scared of?.......
