everskim If we are going to head down that road.You could probably say that,for the overwhelming generalisation of all tradesman by most on this thread.(good for one good for all). I do also apologise for the gross misuse of the word "lot" very unprofessional,"coming from someone that demands respect and has so much 'experience'". I am also very happy that you made one of my posts one of your personal favs. Cheers Jack.