Guys, I wouldn't take @tobes11 too seriously, he shouts around on other shares as well, but in a quick review of his history I struggle to find a single comment he has made that is either informed or substantiated, he seems to be the genuine definition of a troll - "Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can." - definition from the Urban Dictionary.
4c is the floor, page-398
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