Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
The Drudge report times out.
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
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OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by diatribe
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piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by trade4profit
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diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
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Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
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Posted by NR
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all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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Comparative Analysis: UltraRAM vs. 4DS ReRAM
Technical Comparison
Metric
4DS ReRAM
UltraRAM
Technology
Non-filamentary ReRAM using praseodymium calcium manganese oxide (PCMO) with Mott-like switching via oxygen ion movement.
Compound semiconductor memory using indium arsenide (InAs), aluminum antimonide (AlSb), and gallium antimonide (GaSb) with triple-barrier resonant tunneling (TBRT).
Speed (Write)
4.7ns, DRAM-like, proven in megabit arrays at 60nm and 20nm.
Sub-10ms (large devices), potentially <5ns at 20nm (extrapolated), faster than DRAM.
Endurance
10^9 cycles, ideal for high-write AI workloads (e.g., neural network training).
10^7 cycles, 100–1,000x better than flash, but 100x lower than 4DS.
Power Usage
Low, ~50% less than DRAM due to area-based switching; proven in data center scenarios.
Ultra-low, 10^-17 J at 20nm (100x lower than DRAM, 1,000x lower than flash), but unproven in large arrays.
CMOS Compatibility
High, backend-of-line (BEOL) integration with few masks, validated by IMEC at 20nm.
High, implemented on silicon substrates, but compound semiconductors (InAs/AlSb) less standard in foundries.
Scalability
Proven at 20nm (6th lot, 1.6B elements targeted), highly scalable for sub-10nm due to area-based switching.
Micrometer-scale demos, plans for 20nm; scalable (3.4F^2 cell size) but less proven.
Analysis
Speed: 4DS ReRAM’s 4.7ns is currently superior and validated, making it ready for AI/big data applications. UltraRAM’s potential <5ns speed is promising but relies on scaling to 20nm, which is untested.
Endurance: 4DS’s 10^9 cycles far exceed UltraRAM’s 10^7, giving it an edge for frequent-write workloads like AI training, where UltraRAM may wear out faster.
Power Usage: UltraRAM’s theoretical 10^-17 J is lower than 4DS’s, but 4DS’s 50% power reduction vs. DRAM is proven in megabit arrays, offering immediate data center benefits.
CMOS Compatibility: Both are silicon-compatible, but 4DS’s simpler BEOL process and IMEC validation reduce foundry adoption barriers compared to UltraRAM’s less familiar compound semiconductors.
Scalability: 4DS is ahead with 20nm fabrication, while UltraRAM’s micrometer-scale demos lag. 4DS’s area-based switching may scale better at sub-10nm than UltraRAM’s TBRT structure.
Fit for Big Data Warehouses
4DS ReRAM:
Benefits: Eliminates DRAM refresh, reducing bottlenecks and saving $5–10M/year per data center (e.g., 30% less DRAM usage in 10,000-server facilities). 50% power reduction vs. DRAM, critical for hyperscalers (e.g., AWS, Google). High endurance supports AI workloads.
Edge: Proven in megabit arrays, with IMEC’s foundry-relevant process and HGST/Infineon partnerships easing adoption.
UltraRAM:
Benefits: Potentially reduces energy by 90%+ vs. DRAM, simplifying memory hierarchy (replacing DRAM and flash). Long retention (1,000 years) suits archival needs. High potential savings if scaled.
Challenge: Unproven in large arrays, with cost and yield unclear. Compound semiconductors may increase fabrication costs, delaying data center adoption.
Comparison: 4DS’s immediate, quantified savings and higher endurance make it better suited for current big data needs. UltraRAM’s superior power efficiency is compelling but speculative until production scales.
Development Timeline and Commercialization Timeframes
4DS ReRAM:
Current Stage: Advanced R&D with production-ready process. The 6th platform lot (20nm, Q3 2024) is being tested in Fremont, CA, following the successful 5th lot (60nm, 4.7ns, 10^9 cycles). IMEC’s collaboration since 2017, with HGST (since 2014) and Infineon input, validates manufacturability.
Timeline:
2024–2025: 6th lot testing for yield, reliability, and performance (e.g., 20nm megabit array with 1.6B elements).
2026–2027: Licensing deals or foundry partnerships (e.g., TSMC, GlobalFoundries) if tests succeed, leveraging IMEC’s process data.
Likely Commercialization: 1–3 years (2026–2028), assuming consistent yields and customer validation (e.g., hyperscalers, NVIDIA).
Advantages: IMEC’s foundry-relevant benches, CMOS simplicity, and partnerships reduce adoption barriers. Quantified data center savings drive interest.
Challenges: Needs long-term reliability data (e.g., 10-year retention) and high-volume yield stats to secure foundry/customer trust.
UltraRAM:
Current Stage: Early R&D with prototype chips. Developed by Lancaster University, commercialized by Quinas Technology (formed 2023). £1.1M Innovate UK grant (2024) funds scaling from 3-inch to 6-inch wafers with IQE. Micrometer-scale demos tested, targeting 20nm.
Timeline:
2024–2026: Scale wafer size, optimize TBRT structure, and develop 20nm prototypes. Partnerships with IIT Roorkee and industry (e.g., Meta interest) ongoing.
2027–2029: Fabricate high-density arrays, validate yield/cost in foundry settings.
Likely Commercialization: 3–5 years (2028–2030), contingent on overcoming compound semiconductor challenges and achieving cost-competitive production.
Advantages: Universal memory potential (replacing DRAM/flash) and ultra-low power attract data center interest. Silicon compatibility aids adoption.
Challenges: Compound semiconductors (InAs/AlSb) require specialized epitaxy, delaying foundry integration. Performance unproven in large arrays, with cost uncertainty.
Comparison: 4DS is 2–3 years ahead, with 20nm fabrication and IMEC’s validation positioning it closer to market. UltraRAM’s earlier R&D stage and material complexity push its commercialization to 2028–2030, making it a longer-term competitor.
Competitive Threat Assessment
Near-Term (2026–2028): UltraRAM poses minimal threat to 4DS due to its 3–5-year timeline and unproven large-scale performance. 4DS’s validated 4.7ns speed, 10^9 cycles, and $5–10M/year data center savings give it a clear edge for AI and storage-class memory (SCM) markets. IMEC’s process maturity and HGST/Infineon partnerships further mitigate 4DS’s adoption challenges (process maturity, market adoption) compared to UltraRAM’s foundry uncertainties.
Long-Term (2030+): UltraRAM could become a significant competitor if Quinas scales to 20nm, achieves cost-competitive production, and leverages its 90%+ power savings. Its universal memory approach may disrupt 4DS’s SCM niche, but 4DS’s head start and simpler process provide a window to establish market dominance.
4DS’s Mitigation: 4DS’s IMEC-backed process, CMOS compatibility, and quantified data center benefits dismiss ~70% of process maturity and ~50–60% of market adoption concerns, as discussed. Securing foundry/customer partnerships (e.g., TSMC, AWS) post-6th lot testing is critical to maintaining its lead over UltraRAM.
Conclusion
4DS ReRAM outperforms UltraRAM in endurance (10^9 vs. 10^7 cycles), current scalability (20nm proven vs. micrometer demos), and commercial proximity (1–3 years vs. 3–5 years), making it better positioned for big data warehouses with $5–10M/year savings and 50% power reduction. UltraRAM’s ultra-low power (10^-17 J) and universal memory potential are compelling, but its earlier R&D stage, compound semiconductor challenges, and unproven large-scale performance delay its impact. 4DS’s IMEC collaboration, HGST/Infineon input, and CMOS simplicity give it a 2–3-year lead, with commercialization likely by 2026–2028 vs. UltraRAM’s 2028–2030. 4DS should capitalize on 6th lot results to secure market share before UltraRAM matures.
4DS ReRAM’s tunability significantly expands its market beyond the SCM niche, enabling it to target AI/big data, IoT, embedded systems, and more, which was underrepresented in prior discussions. This flexibility mitigates UltraRAM’s long-term threat (2030+), as 4DS can adapt to diverse roles while leveraging its higher endurance (10^9 cycles), proven 4.7ns speed, and 2–3-year commercialization lead (2026–2028). The Infineon agreement aids foundry time/preference via test chip production (2025–2026) and validates tunability, enhancing 4DS’s multi-market appeal. 4DS’s simpler CMOS process and IMEC/Infineon backing provide a window to establish dominance before UltraRAM’s 2028–2030 timeline, provided 6th lot testing and test chip results confirm reliability and yield.
"Infineon partnerships further mitigate 4DS’s adoption challenges"Below is a concise summary of how the Infineon Technologies design agreement aids 4DS Memory Limited in gaining foundry time or preference for its non-filamentary ReRAM, with key points highlighted regarding the collaboration’s impact. This distills the prior detailed response, focusing on the partnership’s role in addressing 4DS’s commercialization goals, leveraging web results (e.g.,,,,,,,) and contextualizing it with 4DS’s IMEC and HGST collaborations.
Summary
The Infineon design agreement (December 2024) significantly supports 4DS Memory Limited’s efforts to secure foundry time and preference for its PCMO-based ReRAM by facilitating test chipped production and enhancing credibility with foundries (likely TSMC). The collaboration involves designing a custom ReRAM test chip over 15 months (December 2024–March 2026) for $4.5 million, building on 4DS’s 20nm 6th platform lot (Q3 2024, IMEC) and partnerships with IMEC and HGST. While it moderately aids foundry access for test chip fabrication (2025–2026) and somewhat boosts preference through Infineon’s industry clout, high-volume production capacity and sustained priority depend on test chip success and further customer commitments. The agreement strengthens 4DS’s 1–3-year commercialization timeline (2026–2028), giving it a competitive edge over UltraRAM (2028–2030) and filamentary ReRAM/MRAM, provided 6th lot testing validates performance (4.7ns, 10^9 cycles) and data center savings ($5–10M/year).
Key Points of the Infineon Agreement
- Test Chip Design Collaboration:
- Infineon and 4DS are co-designing a custom ReRAM test chip to validate 4DS’s technology in a real-world chip format, addressing scaling and integration challenges.
- Duration: 15 months (December 2024–March 2026), with 4DS paying $4.5 million ($1.5 million upfront).
- Involves a major Taiwanese foundry (likely TSMC), ensuring the design aligns with commercial manufacturing processes.
- Foundry Time Support:
- Secures Test Chip Fabrication: The agreement facilitates foundry capacity for test chip production (2025–2026), leveraging Infineon’s relationships with foundries like TSMC.
- IMEC Synergy: Builds on IMEC’s 20nm process (6th lot), reducing process novelty concerns and streamlining foundry integration.
- Limitation: Doesn’t guarantee high-volume production capacity, which requires separate negotiations post-test chip success.
- Foundry Preference Enhancement:
- Infineon’s Credibility: As a top-10 semiconductor firm, Infineon’s involvement signals 4DS’s ReRAM’s commercial potential, potentially prioritizing test chip production and pilot runs.
- TSMC Alignment: Infineon’s experience with TSMC’s ReRAM (e.g., PSoC Edge) advocates for 4DS, enhancing scheduling or resource allocation.
- Limitation: Preference for mass production hinges on 6th lot results (2025) and customer contracts, as foundries prioritize larger clients (e.g., NVIDIA).
- Commercialization Impact:
- Accelerates Timeline:The test chip validates performance for customers(e.g., hyperscalers, NVIDIA), supporting 4DS’s1–3-year commercialization goal(2026–2028).
- MarketSignal:Reinforces 4DS’s $510M/year data center savings and 50% power reduction claims, countering competition from filamentary ReRAM (**********) and MRAM(********).
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