Tonio, address the numerous verses I put up which showed in NO WAY did Jesus have a literal hands on in creation and Neither was he literally in Gen, so cut out the rubbish and address the BIBLE verse and NOT your mouth.
Greek word DIA as per blue = Col 1:16 - Because "IN" him were created the things all things, in the heavens, and in the earth; the invisible, and the invisible; whether thrones, or lordships, or rulers, or authorities: the things all things on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of, through him and FOR him have been created.
"IN" --> Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Acts 15:18 - Known unto to God are all his works from the beginning of the world = GLORY.
Rev 13:8 - In "this" PLAN/GLORY, Jesus was slain "from" the foundation of the word.
The "from" = it was founded "within" God and Jesus was the hidden mystery "IN" God.
GLORY = Tonio, YOU really NEED to look and listen to the following;
Neh 9:6 - Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Greek Truth John 17:5
And now glorify me you, Father, with yourself, with the glory that I had before the world, --->existed with you.
Glory I had Before the world = Titus 1:2 - Promise of life eternal, the way to the Tree of life, "kept" (Gen 3:24) to come through the Future Jesus Rev 13:8 - pre-slain, in the mind and plans of God, Jesus was the beginning of this Creation plan (Rev 3:14) and in this Glory/Plan future in mind, Jesus was the firstborn of creation (Col 1:15).
This IS the Glory Jesus is referring to, when "this" Plan/Gory existed with "God ALONE" as it "SHOWS" above John 17:5.
Abraham rejoiced in this Gory to come, God sees it as though it is done, Glory even though it is not done.
With yourself = Now asking for the Literal presence, GLORY of God as the OT tells "US" God as well as His plan IS GLORY. "We" hang onto the future fulfillment of this Glory, our hope.
Existed "with" YOU = Alone, the inner plan/Glory within God = His Word, your creation STARTS in YOU and then YOU express it = Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD God Almighty were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth = spirit.
OURS and US = Elohim = Moses was "a" Elohim = there is only ONE Moses = we CANNOT twist the meaning of Elohim just to make a threesome false God.
God is Spirit/Word/Light among many things = Plural, his many aspects.
So "WE", other than saying the us could have been an angel, Have zero grounds to place Jesus in Gen = ZERO.
Jesus himself = LISTEN TO HIM as HE says, Have you NOT read HE God made them male and Female and had Jesus been there HE WOULD HAVE SAID SO = Simple Truth and Facts and of God.
Gen tells us, God made the man in HIS OWN image, created HE him.
In the beginning WAS "THE" Word = all of the inner and outer WORD/GLORY = The Word of God = the first two verses of John and part of the Plan/Glory expressed at John 1:3 and THEN John goes into the Eternal aspect of the Words of Life Eternal of "WHICH" words Jesus was GIVEN of the Fathers and sealed, completed at Baptism = Spirit/Word without measure to FINISH the God and Fathers WORKS.
To FINISH means God already started = Gen and the way was Kept for this Future event and then God put all into Jesus's hands.
By golly, do you not think Jesus did enough for us, load wise and now you want to land all OT times and load onto him as well = My Golly your are effectively doing away with our Almighty God and Father, making his efforts very small.
No question about it, you create another God and place another Spirit in him and create another Jesus.
