I don't think logic or getting the gist of things right works with these characters @johnb - I read somewhere recently that beliefs are for people who are bad at maths.
One of the posting guidelines is "Do not be mean spirited". We sure see that enforced regularly.
Its like a Clown Car at the Circus except out from under the bridge pop an improbable number of ...
GLTAH.
I don't think logic or getting the gist of things right works...
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