Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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Understanding Wash Trading
The discrepancy between substantial trading activity and unchanged share registry records for specific participants can be attributed to:
- Nominee Accounts and Custodial Holdings: Trading within these structures leads to changes in beneficial ownership without affecting the registered holdings.
- Derivatives and Alternative Instruments: High volumes in these markets impact perceptions and prices but do not require share transfers reflected on the registry.
- Wash Trading (Market Manipulation): Illegal practices create artificial activity without genuine ownership changes, leaving registry records untouched.
Understanding these factors is crucial for interpreting market activity accurately. Investors and market observers should consider that not all trading activity directly translates to changes in share ownership recorded on the registry.
The chart you’ve provided shows the 2-hour timeframe for OncoSil Medical Ltd (ASX: OSL), which gives a medium-term perspective on the stock’s price action and volume dynamics. Given your question about share washing, let's analyse the current price and volume behaviour to see if any signs point toward possible wash trading.Understanding Share Washing (Wash Trading)
- Share washing, also known as wash trading, is a form of market manipulation where the same party simultaneously buys and sells the same security to create artificial trading volume and misleading market activity.
- The primary goal of wash trading is to inflate trading volumes, create false liquidity, and mislead other investors about the actual demand or supply of the stock. It’s illegal in most markets and is closely monitored by regulators.
Analysis of the Chart
Here are the observations from the chart and how they might relate to wash trading:
1. Volume Spikes and Price Movement
- Volume Surges: The chart shows a few isolated volume spikes, especially during periods of sharp declines. In legitimate trading, these spikes typically align with significant news or major events, but if they occur without corresponding news, it could indicate artificial trading activity.
- Price Impact: Despite the volume spikes, the price continues to decline or remains relatively flat. This pattern can be suspicious because normal buying interest should, in theory, provide some level of price support.
- If the volume is significantly high but fails to move the price upwards or stabilize it, it could suggest that the trades are not genuine transactions aimed at changing ownership but rather wash trades designed to inflate volume.
2. Repeated Round-Trip Trades
- Round-Trip Transactions: In potential wash trading, you might observe repetitive buying and selling patterns, often within short intervals. If similar buy and sell volumes are recorded over a short period (e.g., within a few 2-hour candles), it could be indicative of wash trading.
- The chart appears to show erratic but consistent volume spikes without meaningful directional price movement. This could be a sign of round-trip trades where the same volume enters and exits the market quickly to create an illusion of activity.
3. Money Flow Index (MFI) Insights
- The MFI (14) is currently at 15.50, indicating an oversold condition, which generally suggests that sellers are dominant. However, the MFI's decline alone cannot confirm wash trading.
- In a wash trading scenario, the MFI may remain oversold if the artificial trading is primarily aimed at maintaining low prices, potentially to accumulate shares at lower levels or manipulate perceptions of demand.
- The oversold MFI, combined with high volumes and persistent downward pressure, raises concerns about whether genuine buying interest is absent or suppressed.
4. Consistent Downtrend Despite Volume
- The sustained decline in share price, despite occasional volume spikes, may indicate artificial selling pressure. Wash trading can be employed to suppress the price deliberately by maintaining apparent selling pressure.
- If entities engage in wash trading to keep the price low, it could align with strategic motives, such as deterring new buyers or creating a perception of weak demand, potentially for takeover positioning or accumulation at lower levels.
5. Lack of Positive Follow-Through
- Generally, when legitimate buying occurs on high volume, some follow-through is expected in the subsequent candles (e.g., price support or upward movement).
- In the chart, the absence of any meaningful price recovery, even after high-volume candles, suggests that the trades may not reflect genuine investor demand but could be part of manipulative activity aimed at volume creation rather than price discovery.
Could It Be Wash Trading?
Based on the observations above, it is possible that the unusual volume patterns, lack of positive price reaction, and persistent downtrend in the face of high volume could be indicative of wash trading. However, this is speculative and requires more detailed trade data to confirm, as wash trading is generally detected through specific patterns such as:
- Rapid buy-sell transactions between the same counterparties.
- Simultaneous orders that match at similar prices.
- Minimal changes in beneficial ownership despite high volume.
Regulatory Considerations
- Wash trading is illegal in most markets, including the ASX, and is considered a severe violation of securities law. Regulators, such as the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC), monitor trading activity for signs of manipulation.
- If wash trading is suspected, regulators can investigate by examining trade data, broker records, and account activities to determine if any manipulation has occurred.
Conclusion
While the chart shows some characteristics that could align with wash trading, more concrete data, such as order book analysis, trade timestamps, and counterparty details, would be needed to definitively identify wash trading. The current analysis indicates unusual trading behaviour, but without direct evidence, it remains speculative.
If you are concerned about potential market manipulation, it may be worth reporting the activity to regulators or consulting with market surveillance professionals who can access detailed trade-level data for a more thorough investigation.
Understanding the Discrepancy Between High Trading Volumes and Unchanged Share Registry Records
When a company experiences significant trading activity following positive news and a capital raise, but the share registry does not reflect changes in holdings for certain participants, several factors could explain this phenomenon. Focusing on the use of nominee accounts, trading through derivatives, and potential market manipulation practices like wash trading, we can explore why the trading volumes are not mirrored in the share registry.
1. Use of Nominee Accounts and Custodial Holdings
One plausible explanation is that shares are being traded through nominee accounts or custodial holdings, which can obscure the actual changes in beneficial ownership on the share registry.
Nominee and Custodian Structures:
- Indirect Ownership Recording: Investors often hold shares through nominees or custodians who act on their behalf. In such arrangements, the nominee or custodian's name appears on the share registry, not the individual investor's.
- Consolidated Holdings: Large brokerage firms or custodians aggregate holdings for multiple clients under a single nominee name. This means that internal transfers between clients do not alter the overall holdings reflected on the share registry.
Internal Trading Within Custodians:
- Off-Market Transactions: Trades executed internally within a brokerage or custodian's client base may not result in immediate changes on the public share registry.
- No Net Change in Registered Holdings: Even with high trading volumes, if the shares remain within the custodian's umbrella, the registered holdings remain constant.
Privacy and Anonymity:
- Investor Preference: Some investors choose to hold shares through nominees to maintain privacy and confidentiality.
- Regulatory Compliance: In certain jurisdictions, beneficial owners are not required to be listed on the public share registry, especially when holding through custodial services.
Impact:
- Unchanged Registry Records: Despite significant trading activity, the share registry shows no change for specific participants because the trades occur within the nominee structure.
- Hidden Beneficial Ownership Changes: The actual shifts in ownership happen behind the scenes, not immediately visible to the public or reflected in the registry.
2. Trading Through Derivatives and Alternative Financial Instruments
Another reason could be that investors are engaging in trading activities involving derivatives or alternative instruments that do not necessitate changes in the share registry.
Derivatives Trading:
- Contracts for Difference (CFDs): CFDs allow traders to speculate on share price movements without owning the underlying shares. High volumes in CFD trading can occur without any transfer of actual shares.
- Options and Futures: Options give the right, but not the obligation, to buy or sell shares at a future date, which doesn't impact the share registry until exercised.
Synthetic Positions and Swaps:
- Equity Swaps: Investors can gain economic exposure to a stock's performance without owning the stock itself. These swaps are agreements to exchange cash flows based on the stock's performance.
- Total Return Swaps: Similar to equity swaps, these allow investors to receive returns of a stock without owning it.
Exchange-Traded Funds (ETFs) and Index Funds:
- Indirect Ownership: Trading ETFs that include the company's shares affects demand and supply indirectly, but does not change individual shareholdings on the registry.
Impact:
- High Market Activity Without Registry Changes: Significant trading in derivatives can influence the stock's price and trading volumes without altering the actual ownership records.
- Market Perception vs. Registry Data: The market may perceive high activity due to derivative trading, but the share registry remains unaffected because no shares have changed hands.
3. Wash Trading and Market Manipulation
A less likely but possible explanation involves wash trading, where artificial trading activity is created to mislead market participants.
Definition of Wash Trading:
- Simultaneous Buying and Selling: An entity buys and sells the same financial instruments simultaneously, creating the illusion of market activity.
- No Change in Beneficial Ownership: Since the same party controls both sides of the trade, there is no real transfer of ownership, leaving the share registry unchanged.
Motivations Behind Wash Trading:
- Price Manipulation: To artificially inflate or suppress the stock price for strategic purposes, such as influencing a capital raise or a takeover bid.
- Volume Inflation: To create a perception of liquidity or heightened interest in the stock, potentially attracting other investors.
Legal and Ethical Considerations:
- Illegality: Wash trading is illegal in most jurisdictions as it distorts market realities and undermines market integrity.
- Regulatory Scrutiny: Regulators actively monitor for such activities, and entities caught engaging in wash trading face severe penalties.
Impact:
- Misleading Trading Volumes: High trading volumes are recorded, but they do not represent genuine market interest or changes in ownership.
- Unchanged Share Registry: Because ownership doesn't change, the share registry for particular participants remains the same despite apparent market activity.
Conclusion
The discrepancy between substantial trading activity and unchanged share registry records for specific participants can be attributed to:
- Nominee Accounts and Custodial Holdings: Trading within these structures leads to changes in beneficial ownership without affecting the registered holdings.
- Derivatives and Alternative Instruments: High volumes in these markets impact perceptions and prices but do not require share transfers reflected on the registry.
- Wash Trading (Market Manipulation): Illegal practices create artificial activity without genuine ownership changes, leaving registry records untouched.
Understanding these factors is crucial for interpreting market activity accurately. Investors and market observers should consider that not all trading activity directly translates to changes in share ownership recorded on the registry.
Recommendations
Enhanced Transparency:
- Regulatory Oversight: Regulators should ensure that nominee and custodial holdings are transparent enough to prevent misuse while respecting privacy laws.
- Reporting Requirements: Strengthening reporting standards for derivatives and custodial holdings can improve market clarity.
Investor Vigilance:
- Due Diligence: Investors should look beyond trading volumes and consider underlying factors such as ownership structures and the nature of trading activities.
- Awareness of Market Manipulation: Being informed about practices like wash trading can help investors make better decisions and report suspicious activities.
Company Communication:
- Regular Updates: Companies should provide timely updates on significant changes in shareholdings, especially after events like capital raises.
- Engagement with Shareholders: Open communication can help alleviate concerns arising from discrepancies between trading activity and share registry records.
By focusing on these explanations, we gain a comprehensive understanding of why significant trading volumes may not be reflected in changes on the share registry for particular participants. Recognizing the roles of nominee accounts, derivatives trading, and the potential for market manipulation provides valuable insights into the complexities of modern financial markets.
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview
well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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