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Rowin I have the same opinion, however I was just basically inferring that this stock is ridiculously cheap at the moment---so cheap in fact that it would be cheaper for a large conglomerate to try and take it out rather than farm in. The market will wake up in the new year and realise this. We will then see a re rating. Also DGR looking interesting again. Sold another 6 million OBS. Still has 39m shares. Cheap as cheap down here also with their stake in Armour of 75 million shares. If you buy Armour for a big result you have to buy DGR.