Wotsup,
There is no use quoting 10-20 other verses that do not help explain why the same Greek word (Dia) was used to
describe through whom the universe was created. One verse says it was the Word and the other says Jesus.
Truthful and only answer for Tonio's words here;
Wotusp, there is no point in quoting the TRUTH, the whole truth which show many verses that God ALONE created, with His word, with His Breath, with His Hand, with his right are, I alone created these things etc etc.
And Not to mention, Jesus's OWN words, contribute the making of Man, to his God and Father as in HE created them male and female and sure enough, we look at the Gen's account and it says, EXACTLY as Jesus says.
You totally toss the Heb 1:1-2 out the Door, as it says God ONLY spoke "through" Jesus in these last days = Only after Baptism.
So according to you then, we word be Wordless in the creation events as in GOD said, because the Bible says, this God said was not through Jesus back then.
Repeat --> LAST DAYS ONLY.
Heb 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by
His powerful word.
After
He had provided purification for sins
, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high
Are you in need of Glasses, OR What?
His powerful word. = Now are You going to pay attention and Look and Listen to Jesus's words?
John 12:49 -
For I have not spoken of myself (The Word); but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Deu 18:18 -
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
You halfwit, when Jesus was sent into the world = it's meaning is after Baptism, all things were placed in his hands, the power you silly boy is in his words which are CLEARLY the Almighty God and Fathers, which are referred to, summed up as The Word which are also Spirit.
Being raised;
Luke 2: 40 & 52 - And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Luke 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,because he hath anointed me to preach the good news (The Word) to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Your satanic misconception of Jesus pre-existing, if so,...he would have had to of been a Spirit and Jesus makes it VERY clear, he was NOT a Spirit.
Besides that, if he was a pre-existing Spirit, that would have meant he was Spiritual, now the Bible, not the ones that pumped crap in your head SAYS --> This Spiritual = Jesus, WAS well and truly AFTER the 1st Adam, man.
Man as Jesus clearly was according to the Bible, does NOT have a pre-existing spirit and neither do men pre-exist.
Heb 1:3 - Who being the brightness of hisglory = (The Word --> The Word of God), and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, --> when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Silly Boy, the Almighty God and Father IS Glory AND his word IS Glory.
Almighty God and Father is Spirit/Word/Light of which Jesus received without measure, received the Godhead which is the Almighty God and Father, without measure John 14:10.
So when Jesus spoke, He Expressed out The Word = The Word of God, Hence he expressed out God = if you have seen me (heard) you have seen (heard) the Father.
Ex 40:34 - Then a cloud (Spirit) covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.
Glory being, The Word = The Word of God.
John 1:14 and 14:10 are exactly the same thing, BUT, Jesus is the Tent, Temple for which The Word = The Word of God dwelt in.
Jesus set the stage for what was to follow, 2 Cor 6:16, people now the Temples, The Word = Almighty God and Father to dwell in = The Comforter, Advocate, the One Spirit of Truth the Holy Spirit dwelling in people and through the God and Fathers one Spirit, Jesus can also come.
Hence Jesus said, WE will come and make our abode and the we is 2 and NOT 3, as a 3rd WOULD BE an Idol.
So Tonio, cut out the Bull Dust, get your backside onto the 20 odd verses, OT creation verses where Clearly the context IS, God alone and confirmed via Jesus in the NT, created.
You halfwit, you know full well that through can be in the cause, reason context and in the literal context.
You and your wife met up, made plans for the future, Kids,.... so through them, by reason of, because of etc, you both sort work, trade etc that was going to provide the means for you to full fill this plan, so through the kids to be, you did this and that, for them, because of them, by reason of, on account of, THROUGH the ones to be.
THEN later, the fruits of your labor etc, will literally be through them.
