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06/05/19

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Originally posted by wotsup ↑

Rev 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain ---> fromthe foundation of the world.
(Foundation in Greek also has the meaning --> Conception = before the world literally existed, but the plans of, in the mind and reasoning of God).

The Lamb, CLEARLY is referring to a Jesus and back then "a" Jesus did NOT exist.
He was pre-slain = all this is in the plans of a world to be = in the mind and plans of God and clearly a Jesus to be, is the center stage, beginning of this thought and plan, so THROUGH Him (future one) and for him, all was to be.

Where or what was the start of God's thinking, inner plan, inner logos, inner creation;
Rev 3:14 - And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen (Jesus), the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
(Clearly this is referring to God's first thoughts, inner creation plan, the Jesus to be, was the beginning of this creation, foundation, conception).
And further backed up and supported via the following;
Col 1:15 - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of creation:
Again, this is clearly referring to Jesus, "a" Jesus in the future context as "a" Jesus was NOT until his birth at Mary.
So the firstborn of God inner creation, first thought, was for a future Jesus and all things would be created through
on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of Him.

The Greeks clear and precise, truth, confirmation of this by Jesus's own words;

John 17:5 - Now glorify Me You, Father, with Yourself, with glory insofar held before --> the world existed, with YOU.

Jesus asking for God's literal presence, First time and God himself IS Glory = first aspect of the glory Jesus is asking for.
Jesus is making NO reference here, that he was literally there before the world existed.
And the subject of what existed with God, IS the glory, God's plan, the Jesus to be, the center stage of it, before God's plan of the world, literally existed with God alone.
Example of this Glory held via God alone --> Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal.
2 Tim 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

We were not saved or given anything back then, all in the mind and plans of God and know as Glory.
John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;thatthey may be one, even as we are one:

Key part of this Glory Jesus was given, raised, led, taught via God for many years and;
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measureunto him.

God's words are Spirit John 6:63, so by receiving the Spirit without measure, also means,....The Word = The Word of God = GLORY, without measure as well.
Jesus makes it very clear, the Glory he was given (John 17:22) is the word of God as that is the only way you can become one as THEY are one = accepting and abiding in the word of God.

So the word of God, meaning his inner word, logos and expressed, is Glory and the Glory held via Him, which is also the Glory Jesus is asking for.
Most Bibles have the words in John 17:5 The Glory "I" Had and IF you examine the Greek words here, there is ZERO Greek words in there, to get an "I" from = zero.

However, You will only acknowledge this IF you seriously want God's truth as relayed via Jesus.

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John 1:3
Berean Study Bible
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made

Col 1:16
Berean Study Bible
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Wotsup,
All things were made by the Word and all things were created by Jesus

The Word = Jesus.

This is supported by the Greek word dia
all things were made through the Word who is Jesus

God's word it's that simple
or you can stay with the words of wotsup
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