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Hi MarsC, I think most investors are happy to pay an above index...

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    Hi MarsC,

    I think most investors are happy to pay an above index fee, if the fund managers demonstrate the skill to generate sustainable alpha (a rarity). GQG is +5% on the index over 5 years.

    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/6288/6288480-da1a3dfb8684a82b30476ed1e2575dd7.jpg


    The question to be asked (as you have) is whether this is the result of simply chasing momentum & the hottest stocks. In GQG's case, I don't believe this is the case. Let's look at the data - below we have GQG's risk statistics which shows that they capture 98.38% of the market upside but only 53.42% of the market downside. They generate their out-performance by avoiding the downside rather than taking more risk on the upside.

    The second chart visually shows their allocations to sectors - they shift to a significant degree over time. The most notable example was that they captured the upside of the tech giants post COVID then sold out as valuations got frothy - thus avoiding the NASDAQ correction of 2022. This is exactly what we would ask of any investment manager, to nimbly move as relative value changes. I dare say that if we evaluated Platinum's sector allocation over time, it would be far more stagnant - reflecting their inability to recognise opportunities through different lenses.

    This conversation isn't really about GQG - although they clearly justify their fees, which is reflected in their phenomenal investment flows. The conversation is about PTM and why anyone would truly invest with them.

    Note - your question was very valid & fair. I believe that Magellan is a great example of a fund whereby the investment skill component was over-stated, due to their returns being boosted mostly by their investment style (tech focus) rather than skill.

    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/6288/6288482-e0c098d3c1ade1e24c77bf8061711b3f.jpghttps://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/6288/6288484-335aa231577cf7ce73f34c9443e76dc6.jpg


 
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